New telepathy test, the sequel.

Michel H said:
It means that, as usual, members of this forum seem to enjoy attacking the victim instead of trying to provide some support with their limited means.
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Being asked to support your claims with evidence is not being attacked. You are not a victim. You came voluntarily to this forum for help in formulating a test of your purported telepathic abilities, then proceeded to ignore all of it.

You seem almost desperate to be seen as some sort of martyr. Why is that?
 
JayUtah said:
No, I don't. You don't seem to know the differences among an observation, a claim, and evidence. What I have from you is a series of claims, none of which has been supported by evidence. What I have from you is what you admit is speculation.



I said no such thing. Why does your speculation always default to the notion that powerful, evil forces are persecuting you and others who share your beliefs?
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It seems clear to me that your behavior towards me on this forum is of a persecutory nature. I am also facing lots of other kinds of persecution, for example I often hear (presumably telepathic) voices in my head which try to convince me to kill myself. Persecution is far from something unusual in my life.
 
Regarding this question disappearance, it is possible that my question was reported as a "minor violation" (chat or rant, something like that), I disagree, of course. This might explain why my question is no longer listed, even though it has not been deleted.
 
Michel H said:
Regarding this question disappearance, it is possible that my question was reported as a "minor violation" (chat or rant, something like that), I disagree, of course. This might explain why my question is no longer listed, even though it has not been deleted.
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Yes, that's a reasonable hypothesis. I can also come up with several similar hypotheses, none of which involves the CIA or the specific targeting of self-proclaimed telepathics for ideological reasons. The next step in the normal process of scientific discovery would be to determine what evidence could be collected that would be dispositive of the hypotheses, one way or another. That usually requires deduction along the lines of the expected consequents of each hypothesis. Then one endeavors to collect that evidence. Are you interested enough in the actual reason why you can't find your question to pursue a proper, dispassionate investigation of it?
 
JayUtah said:
Yes, that's a reasonable hypothesis. I can also come up with several similar hypotheses, none of which involves the CIA or the specific targeting of self-proclaimed telepathics for ideological reasons.
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I actually don't rule out that I was targeted for what you might call "ideological reasons". You may have noted that the international situation is very tense these days, with what has happened recently in Iraq. My question (even though I tried to make as neutral as I could, and acceptable for all) had a certain pacifist tone, that some, in the U.S. particularly, already perhaps getting excited by possible future bombings, may have strongly disliked. Yahoo has a system of moderation by users, which leads to questions being removed if users don't like it.
 
JayUtah said:
Are you serious about discovering why your question isn't where you think it should be?
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It should be in two different categories: Polls & Surveys and Parapsychology. It is no longer listed in Parapsychology because it was sabotaged. This seems pretty clear to me. It also seems to have been removed very quickly.
 
JayUtah said:
That's not an answer to my question. It just repeats the speculative claims. Are you serious about finding out actually why your question is not where you expect it?
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Yes, of course, I may have figured it out already: it may "just" have been reported by a Yahoo member, and then delisted by Yahoo. It seems, of course, unlikely that these people wanted to help me in my "work".
 
JayUtah said:
If you're serious, then why are you still doing no more than speculation?
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If the question has been reported and delisted, this is perhaps something which happens often on Yahoo Answers, but it is still nasty and hostile (in my opinion).
 
Michel H said:
If the question has been...
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If you're serious about discovering the actual reason, why are you still doing nothing except speculating? You're not testing any hypotheses or trying to determine how to test them. You're just free-associating on the same old paranoia you started with.

Are you serious about discovering why your question isn't where you expect it to be, or are you more interested in creating the illusion that you're being persecuted?
 
JayUtah said:
If you're serious about discovering the actual reason, why are you still doing nothing except speculating? You're not testing any hypotheses or trying to determine how to test them. You're just free-associating on the same old paranoia you started with.

Are you serious about discovering why your question isn't where you expect it to be, or are you more interested in creating the illusion that you're being persecuted?
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Removing a legitimate question is a form of persecution that is right there, before your eyes, it is not the first time this happens (have of lot of experience on Yahoo).

If you want to help, may I perhaps suggest you participate seriously in this test (like the other forum members)? This will perhaps be less fun for you than entertaining your psychological pet theories, but perhaps far more useful for establishing the truth.
 
Michel H said:
Removing a legitimate question is a form of persecution...
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Only if certain hypotheses and assumptions are borne out by evidence. Are you interested in collecting that evidence?

If you want to help...
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I'm helping you learn how to test a hypothesis. I have no interest in playing your games.

This will perhaps be less fun for you than entertaining your psychological pet theories...
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Such as?
 
JayUtah said:
I'm helping you learn how to test a hypothesis.
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I have some experience in this area:
Ashles said:
Well this is certainly one of the most robustly controlled experiments I have encountered.
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Ladewig said:
Hurray.

Congratulations on once again proving telepathy.
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jdc324 said:
Totally worth the wait.
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(after I gave results).

I have not seen yours (I also have a Ph.D. degree).

If you want to contribute, you will have to do more than insinuating the person has a mental disease.
 
2020, WOW, This still?

I guess the hiatus and 4 other failures weren't enough?

Time to bring out the multiple-choice[1-4], "Only legitimate replies" and back peddling.
 
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Michel H said:
I have some experience in this area:
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I doubt that. You don't know the difference between an observation that a hypothesis is meant to explain, and the evidence that the hypothesis is the correct explanation. That's a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of how to do science. It's textbook circular reasoning.

I have not seen yours (I also have a Ph.D. degree).
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In what field? I minted several PhDs in my academic days, and you would not have passed my examination with your demonstration in this forum. In fact, according to the attempts at reasoning you've displayed here, you would not even be accepted to the program.

If you want to contribute, you will have to do more than insinuating the person has a mental disease.
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That's not my "pet psychological theory." You said yourself you considered it too, which means you also agreed it was prima facie plausible, as did I. I asked because I lived with someone for a year who was later diagnosed with profound paranoid schizophrenia, requiring hospitalization. Your claims resemble hers, so it seemed a reasonable alternative to unevidenced claims of telepathy and persecution at the hands of government officials. You said you considered it "unlikely" that your experience were symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. I asked you how you determined that, and you didn't answer. Did your decision to reject paranoid schizophrenia as a possible explanation for your experience involve evaluation by a competent psychiatrist?
 
Michel H said:
In Physics.
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I don't believe you. You show no appreciable understanding of the hypothetico-deductive method of scientific inquiry, and no interest in pursuing it in order to test any of the several hypotheses you have raised. Can you reconcile your ignorance of proper methodology with your claims to have made an advanced study in a scientific field?
 
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