New telepathy test, the sequel.

I am not interested in doing a new ESP test on this forum at this time, right now. However, I might be interested later, perhaps with your suggested method (I try to keep it in mind), or another one.

What a surprise......(sarcasm).......this is the same behavior and it will never change. A real test is suggested, OP says sure that sounds good, pressed to go forward he says nope, not right now, goes into hiding for awhile, then pops back up with the same tired game. The people who still participate have the patience of saints.
 
Try a different example in a similar format:
Q:"Is it true that your dog can play chess?"
A:"No. I beat him almost every single game."
I agree that this is an attempt at a joke, though not a very good one. I recently saw a joke that I found a lot better:
A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys and they both look under the streetlight together. After a few minutes the policeman asks if he is sure he lost them here, and the drunk replies, no, and that he lost them in the park. The policeman asks why he is searching here, and the drunk replies, "this is where the light is".
(link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetlight_effect ).
However, when I asked, on Yahoo Answers (in the Parapsychology category, which is part of Science & Math):
In your opinion, is it possible to be "telepathic", in the sense that everybody else on this planet knows what the telepathic person thinks and perceives?
, and when somebody replied:
I knew you were going to ask this question, an hour before you posted it.
(link: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/...mY75lLjty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090601113445AAmVwcl ), that was not a joke (in my opinion, at least), it was a serious and rather clever answer to my question. In many respects (though perhaps not all), Yahoo Answers is better than this forum. First of all, they do not have a skeptical bias, they're not a Skeptics forum. Secondly, members are much more respectful, and less (viciously) aggressive.

Similarly, when Loss Leader answered:
I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.
in my second test on this forum, it was also not a joke. If some of you really think that either the Y Answers or the LL answer are jokes, then I may have to seriously question your abilities to detect jokes yourself. It seems much more likely to me that I am facing here a bunch of skeptics who are ready to clutch to any straw, even the unlikeliest ones, to try to discredit or denigrate the statements that they don't like.

Regarding my openness to suggestions and the rigor of my testing, I would like to point out that I made a significant change, following one of your suggestions, when I used a MD5 hash (or another kind of hash, later). As a serious researcher, I have some constraints, I cannot do any poor test, otherwise the test will fail, and nobody will tell me again:
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Congratulations on once again proving telepathy.
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The idea that Ladewig's comment was some kind of disguised joke is ridiculous. If you really think that, then your joke detector must be badly broken, and I don't think you're helping your credibility in this way. In many years of online testing, I have learnt to read between the lines.

Regarding rigor, my tests are rigorous (even if they are less than perfect) because the raw material is visible for all to see, and people can follow the work. For example, everybody can understand that:
wrong oh! I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!
is a credible answer (think that ESP is very real and that Michel H is "telepathic", for all answers), while
4, because drawing a circle around it makes it look like a cool Fantastic Four logo.
is not (credible). This has nothing to do with numerical accuracy in a "guess if I wrote 1, 2, 3 or 4" test, contrary to what has been erroneously claimed I don't know how many times on this forum. Credible answers have a tendency to be correct, and this is accompanied by testimonies ("I knew it!"). This (with other testimonies) seems to point to the existence of a special ESP phenomenon. My tests are actually lessons of good science (I have a very real Ph.D. degree), from which you should try to learn, instead of polluting with your nonsense and gross dishonesty.
 
Similarly, when Loss Leader answered:

in my second test on this forum, it was also not a joke. If some of you really think that either the Y Answers or the LL answer are jokes, then I may have to seriously question your abilities to detect jokes yourself.


Sadly, I'm sure you believe that. However, in my case at least I can and have said numerous times: I was joking. I was not serious. I was making fun of you. I was being sarcastic. I did not intend to be taken seriously in any way. I did intend to mock you, your test design, your beliefs about yourself, and your posting style on this forum.

Whether I told a well constructed one or a poor one, I did in fact write those words as a joke.

I am able to detect my own jokes with perfect certainty. This was such a joke.

Kindly stop using it as evidence of either a correct answer to your question, a "credible" answer, a serious answer or anything else other than what it was: a mean-spirited comment directed to show contempt for you, your tests, and your ability to decode people's feelings.
 
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For the benefit of those posters who can't be bothered to click on the link, here is the whole of Ladewig's post with the bit Michel always quotes highlighted.

Hurray.

Congratulations on once again proving telepathy.

I won't complain about my low credibility rating. After all such complaints would be prima facie evidence of my low credibility.
Originally Posted by Michel H
Secondly, I believe that, like high dilution homeopathy, "remote viewing" and precognition are probably impossible because there is no possible physical mechanism for them.
Bravo. I salute you.
Very few people trying to prove the existence of ESP would have the fortitude to come right out and say that. You are the vanguard of the next Golden Age of psychic testing.

If you are ever invited to speak at a conference for psychic powers and phenomena, will you post the dates on this board? I really want to be there when you say, "OK, all you remote viewing folks and precognition folks - I want to say that you've got nothing; so quit wasting our time with something that has no possible mechanism. Now, I'd like to speak about my unimpeachable ESP evidence."

One last question about credibility ratings. If a subject provides a number in a very credible-sounding post, but several days later says uncredible things about the procedure, does that person get a high or low credibility score?

OK, one more question. If you ever run the test again, will you take note of all the posters who pointed out that asking people to choose a number from 1 to 4 is quite possibly the absolutely worst way of testing this type of phenomena?

Once, again. Congratulations.

A better example of a post dripping with sarcasm would be difficult to imagine.
 
I just clicked on calwaterbear's post and, scrolling back for context, found it was one of a series of obviously mocking guesses including this one by Ladewig:

Ladewig said:
I am seeing a curve. it is hard to make out through the mists - I guess that means it could be three or two. But I am also seeing something next to the curve I am looking at - very difficult to perceive - is that a straight line? I can tell with certainty that before you wrote the number down you were thinking very much about three. Also, you have a relative that has passed on and this number means a great deal to that relative. Also, the number is near water. I am also sensing the color purple very strongly, but I don't know why. Also, the number has a message for you - the number is at peace and is in a very loving place.

Will you be paying with cash or credit?

This was some time before the one quoted above, so it's not like the sarcastic nature of Ladewig's posts wasn't already evident. Unless Michel thinks this was also a serious guess? Surely not.
 
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The idea that Ladewig's comment was some kind of disguised joke is ridiculous. If you really think that, then your joke detector must be badly broken, and I don't think you're helping your credibility in this way. In many years of online testing, I have learnt to read between the lines.

It was a joke!​

I now see it was a mistake to make a joke like that.

You have not proven telepathy.

Please stop quoting my post as if it were serious. It was a joke.

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Please do not believe that any of posts support your claim in any way.
All of your tests are flawed.
Nothing you have done provides even the tiniest bit of evidence that telepathy exists.
 
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Thanks for responding to my PM, Ladewig. I don't suppose for a moment it will make any difference - Michel will assume you're lying, or that your account has been hacked - but it's at least some moral support for Loss Leader.
 
I started a new telepathy test on Yahoo Answers (two questions, one in Polls & Surveys and another one in Parapsychology):
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20200104183837AA6iinm
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20200104181250AA43dsx.

However, I note that the Parapsychology question is not showing up in the parapsychology category (and no explanation has been given), which explains perhaps why I am not getting any answer in this category (perhaps the most important) until now. I suppose this illustrates the kind of persecution that we researchers in parapsychology are facing.

Of course, somebody will perhaps say: "This question is so completely ridiculous, it's normal it is rejected", but I would view this as just another aspect of persecution in a society which seems to have difficulty accepting the truth.
 
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LOL again! Funny old world, innit?
I started a new test on Yahoo Answers, not on this forum, RoboTimbo.

However, if some members of this forum want to participate, they would be much welcome to do so.

The Science & Math > Alternative > Parapsychology question seems now to have disappeared from Alternative as well, but is still listed in Science & Math.
 
I started a new test on Yahoo Answers, not on this forum, RoboTimbo.
Yes, I realized that when you posted that you started one on Yahoo Answers after running away from participating in a fair test on this forum. The forum that you came to to tell us that you started a new test on Yahoo Answers.

, if some members of this forum want to participate, they would be much welcome to do so.
You're welcome to participate here in the test whose protocol you've run away from.

The posts are just before these. On this forum.

LOL.
 
Yes, I realized that when you posted that you started one on Yahoo Answers after running away from participating in a fair test on this forum. The forum that you came to to tell us that you started a new test on Yahoo Answers.


You're welcome to participate here in the test whose protocol you've run away from.

The posts are just before these. On this forum.

LOL.
Should a possible lack of rigor be a concern on this forum, I can perhaps try to alleviate that by posting a MD5 hash of a complicated text containing the correct answer:
aa7f4a07f431c7ce8c41aae94616161d .

The hash was generated here:
https://www.md5hashgenerator.com/ .
 
Should a possible lack of rigor be a concern on this forum, I can perhaps try to alleviate that by posting a MD5 hash of a complicated text containing the correct answer:
aa7f4a07f431c7ce8c41aae94616161d .

The hash was generated here:
https://www.md5hashgenerator.com/ .

It seems that rigor is the thing you run away from. Don't you find it hypocritical that you run away from a rigorous test on this forum only to post another one without rigor on Yahoo Answers?
 
There's only one reason why someone would choose to do yet another worthless, meaningless test when a worthwhile, meaningful one was possible, Michel.
 
There's only one reason why someone would choose to do yet another worthless, meaningless test when a worthwhile, meaningful one was possible, Michel.
I don't think Loss Leader's test would have been more rigorous than mine, the main difference being the use of 10 phrases in LL's case, instead of 4 in my latest test. It is obviously not my goal to give skeptics all opportunities they may want to sabotage a good test, so that it invariably gives the (wrong) conclusion that they like.
 
I don't think Loss Leader's test would have been more rigorous than mine, the main difference being the use of 10 phrases in LL's case, instead of 4 in my latest test.
Oh yes, you definitely know it is more rigorous. That's why you run away from it. Everyone knows this.

It is obviously not my goal to give skeptics all opportunities they may want to sabotage a good test, so that it invariably gives the (wrong) conclusion that they like.
No, it is your goal to keep up the charade with your laughable tests and biased "credibility ratings". Everyone knows this too.
 
I don't think Loss Leader's test would have been more rigorous than mine, the main difference being the use of 10 phrases in LL's case, instead of 4 in my latest test. It is obviously not my goal to give skeptics all opportunities they may want to sabotage a good test, so that it invariably gives the (wrong) conclusion that they like.

Michel H., As I know you understand, one of the objections to your test is that you get to pick which answers count after seeing whether they give you the desired result. Now it’s fine if you decide which answers are credible. But it’s not fine if you also know whether the answers give you the desired result. After all, you might entirely subconsciously be finding credibility in the answers that agree...without any intention to do so.

Are you willing to do a test where you can decide which answers count, but where you don’t get to see whether an answer is correct before you decide?
 
I started a new telepathy test on Yahoo Answers (two questions, one in Polls & Surveys and another one in Parapsychology):


Two polls, so far only three replies - one of them made two guesses, one refused to make any, any one specifically stated that his guess was based on the words being the most common.

One could not design a more worthless set-up if one wanted to.


However, I note that the Parapsychology question is not showing up in the parapsychology category (and no explanation has been given), which explains perhaps why I am not getting any answer in this category (perhaps the most important) until now. I suppose this illustrates the kind of persecution that we researchers in parapsychology are facing.


Both polls appear to be open. Your feelings of persecution are unwarranted.

You came here a few days ago specifically asking for input regarding the structure of your "tests." Much input was given, including by me. I offered nine points in a numbered list, none of which you ever addressed. Then you went back to Yahoo! Answers with the same flawed methodology as before. It was nonsense the first time you did it, and it remains so now.
 

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