New telepathy test, the sequel.

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This is a continuation of original New Telepathy Test thread found here. Please share and enjoy.
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I have done tests also on two other websites or forums, in parallel with this one, with the same target word (plane).

On the skeptiko forum (link), I posted a poll, just one person voted, and chose (correctly) plane.

On Yahoo Answers (link), I got two non-credible answers, which were both incorrect, in full agreement with the general observation (or tendency).

Shortly after I posted the results, another member (savannah) added a new answer, she said:
I read the first sentence and thought plane lmao people need to realize that telepathy isn't something you can learn...
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(I believe "Imao" means "In my arrogant opinion")
 
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"People need to realize that telepathy isn't something". Makes much more sense now.
 
Michel H said:
Let us assume somebody had answered "I answer plane, just because this is the word that I like best, among the four possible answers (automobile, boat, plane and submarine)."

Would you agree that such an answer would not have been credible, in a telepathy test, regardless of whether or not "the telepathic guy from Belgium" wrote "plane" on his paper?
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If they answer 'plane' then that's their answer. What grounds might you have for ignoring it, particularly since you don't really know what effect you're testing for anyway?

I know that you have a firm conviction that you broadcast your thoughts but you have no clue how anyone else might perceive them. (The realistic answer of course is that they don't because you only imagine you broadcast your thoughts, but let's play along with the hypothetical for a moment.) If people really did receive your thoughts then you couldn't tell if they hear them clearly like a voice in their ear or see the word in neon lights in the sky or if it's something more nebulous like their suddenly just thinking of the word or just getting the sensation of a word being significant for some unknown reason.

If, hypothetically, you had the power to make people all over the world think that 'plane' was the word they like the best then that is what you should test for. You can't reject answers even if people give seemingly silly reasons for choosing them, because you have no way to tell if it was your psychic powers which made them do that.

Discarding answers because of credibility rules you make up based on who-knows-what personal biases would never allow you to detect telepathic abilities even if they existed.

As I've mentioned before, everyone who has ever tried rigorously to detect telepathy has failed to find it. So if the effect exists at all, we can already say that is so weak that you would need a very large and rigorous experiment to detect the statistical signal within the noise. Getting a handful of responses to a multiple choice test and then throwing some away because of your personal bias is not a suitable test of anything.
 
Michel H said:
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(I believe "Imao" means "In my arrogant opinion")
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The characters are in lower case, the first is not an "i" but an "l", which stands for "laughing".

You know this, you also know the meaning of the other characters :D
 
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I admit I joined this thread late, but this is brilliant woo peddling.

So basically you are saying

1. Those who give me answers that support the idea I am thought projecting are sincere
2. Those who give me answers contrary to the idea I am thought projecting are insincere (lying)
3. If I consider only the sincere answers, then statistically it is proven I can thought project.
4. Therefore, it is true that I can thought project

Do you not see a problem with this?
 
I admit I joined this thread late, but this is brilliant woo peddling.

So basically you are saying

1. Those who give me answers that support the idea I am thought projecting are sincere
2. Those who give me answers contrary to the idea I am thought projecting are insincere (lying)
3. If I consider only the sincere answers, then statistically it is proven I can thought project.
4. Therefore, it is true that I can thought project

Do you not see a problem with this?
 
The Sparrow said:
I admit I joined this thread late, but this is brilliant woo peddling.

So basically you are saying

1. Those who give me answers that support the idea I am thought projecting are sincere
2. Those who give me answers contrary to the idea I am thought projecting are insincere (lying)
3. If I consider only the sincere answers, then statistically it is proven I can thought project.
4. Therefore, it is true that I can thought project

Do you not see a problem with this?
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No and furthermore because your list is numbered 1,2,34 he will twist and contort that into his delusions.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
No and furthermore because your list is numbered 1,2,34 he will twist and contort that into his delusions.
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From one of Michel's very early 1 - 4 "pick a number" posts, I made four posts in a row, selecting 1, 2, 3, 4. Michel later claimed that my post was proof that he was telepathic, totally ignoring the fact that he selected the one of four posts with the correct number and ignored the other three completely.

I have not posted at all on his recent attempts but I could not resist replying to his latest utter failure to even conjure evidence for his belief out of nowhere.

See you in a couple of Months Michel, when once again you will start a new thread, and it will be Merged into this one.

Why you even waste Mod's time by starting new threads that have to be moved is beyond me. Just start the new one here, on this very thread that is totally devoted to you. (I am sure that the ONJ reference will spark something inside you that suggests that somehow I am hearing something from you.

Here are five words:

Titanic
Leon
GeelongMercedesSmith

These words popped into my head while I was composing this response. I am certain that you will claim credit for putting them there, because it is what you do.

I apologise to other members for posting on this thread after I promised many months ago to never do so again, but sometimes you gotta do wot ya gotta do.

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
From one of Michel's very early 1 - 4 "pick a number" posts, I made four posts in a row, selecting 1, 2, 3, 4. Michel later claimed that my post was proof that he was telepathic, totally ignoring the fact that he selected the one of four posts with the correct number and ignored the other three completely.
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In my second test on this forum (back in 2013, 3 years ago), you replied successively:
fromdownunder said:
Since this is Friday (6 letters), and I'm watching Oliver on Television (6 letters) and it is around 1:30PM (1+3=4) the answer is obviously 1 as 1 is not a multiple of quirty.

Norm
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and then, in rapid succession:
fromdownunder said:
In the spirit of the OP, I will now give my honest answer

1.

Norm
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fromdownunder said:
In the spirit of the OP, I will now give my honest answer

2.

Norm
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fromdownunder said:
In the spirit of the OP, I will now give my honest answer

3.

Norm
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fromdownunder said:
In the spirit of the OP, I will now give my honest answer

4.

Norm
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Which of these five answers should I have used for my analysis, do you think?
The last one? (this is what I usually do, assuming that people are constantly trying to improve their answer(s)), or the first one? (adopting the point of view that giving the four possible answers in rapid succession is a joke, rather than a serious answer), or perhaps both the first one and the last one? or something else? (please specify).
 
Here is my Telepathy Test:

Below are 100 words. I will randomly select a word and tell Michel what that word is via PM. He will circle that word 4 times and stare at it. I will invite responses.

Here are the 100 words, in groups of 5x2:

_______________________________________

kneecap furious partner absolve canter
because december bridge banana dissolve

wander petunia echo zombie gigantic
archer binary charter elongated disruptive

foghorn gaggle history individual joinery
kindly latitude mandate nobody opera

platform quorum rattle statue tabernacle
uncle vibration watercress yearning zither

apricot baffle cabbage debated everywhere
flightless gateway hardly iconic jester

knowledge lovely missile noticed optimism
percolate quantity reversal substitute throbbing

unconscious vertigo whaling yesterday zygote
adversary barricade capable decking envelope

foccacia generator hoping imaginary jelly
kingdom lacerate morbidly nagging opposite

pardon quince ruminate sandstone toffee
universal vermilion workmanship yacht zoology

alphabet beneath challenger cardinal deliberate
fulminate gathering haberdashery paperless attachment
__________________________________________

Next step is to choose a word at random.

But first: So far so good?
 
Kid Eager said:
Here is my Telepathy Test:

Below are 100 words. I will randomly select a word and tell Michel what that word is via PM. He will circle that word 4 times and stare at it. I will invite responses.

Here are the 100 words, in groups of 5x2:

_______________________________________

kneecap furious partner absolve canter
because december bridge banana dissolve

wander petunia echo zombie gigantic
archer binary charter elongated disruptive

foghorn gaggle history individual joinery
kindly latitude mandate nobody opera

platform quorum rattle statue tabernacle
uncle vibration watercress yearning zither

apricot baffle cabbage debated everywhere
flightless gateway hardly iconic jester

knowledge lovely missile noticed optimism
percolate quantity reversal substitute throbbing

unconscious vertigo whaling yesterday zygote
adversary barricade capable decking envelope

foccacia generator hoping imaginary jelly
kingdom lacerate morbidly nagging opposite

pardon quince ruminate sandstone toffee
universal vermilion workmanship yacht zoology

alphabet beneath challenger cardinal deliberate
fulminate gathering haberdashery paperless attachment
__________________________________________

Next step is to choose a word at random.

But first: So far so good?
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Not sure about that.
I have already done a test with a fairly large number of choices (10) on this forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10051707#post10051707 , but I was not very happy with the results.
 
Michel H said:
Not sure about that.
I have already done a test with a fairly large number of choices (10) on this forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10051707#post10051707 , but I was not very happy with the results.
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Which translates into failure, It showed you that NO ONE is able to hear your voices, You failed.

Hence you made future tests a 1 in 4 chance.

When that failed because of all the "wrong" answers you then instituted a "credibility" factor so you could cherry pick the results.
 
Michel H said:
Not sure about that.
I have already done a test with a fairly large number of choices (10) on this forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10051707#post10051707 , but I was not very happy with the results.
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Results are results. Your happiness with the data is an emotional response, not an evaluation of the results' integrity.

I've offered a complete mechanism for evaluating your claim, that removes the subjective element.

We can run the same test several times using different words each times.

Should your claim be valid, a repeated clustering of responses on the selected word should occur.

If that doesn't happen well, sadly, your perception of having psychic powers is not supported by the evidence and you'll need to develop and alternative hypothesis.

So, when do we start?
 
Michel H said:
In my second test on this forum (back in 2013, 3 years ago), you replied successively:

and then, in rapid succession:




Which of these five answers should I have used for my analysis, do you think?
The last one? (this is what I usually do, assuming that people are constantly trying to improve their answer(s)), or the first one? (adopting the point of view that giving the four possible answers in rapid succession is a joke, rather than a serious answer), or perhaps both the first one and the last one? or something else? (please specify).
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How about "none of the above"? Since, as we have now discovered, you have no understanding of humour, sarcasm, or straight out setting you up for a fall, pretty much everybody here has given up on ever expecting you to understand that your so called telepathy is a complete joke, and that you should genuinely stop. Just stop!

Norm
 
Kid Eager said:
Random word sent to Michel H via PM.
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Waste of time.

Any response or result, whether positive or negative, will be twisted and turned by Michel into a result supporting his belief that he is telepathic. This is what has always happened before.

Just as he is unable to understand sarcasm or obvious joking (better to say--he recognizes what to everybody else looks like sarcarsm or joking, but he finds reasons why to him it's actually not sarcasm or joking), he will be unable to accept a test that fails to support what he already believes.
 
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Kid Eager said:
kneecap furious partner absolve canter
because december bridge banana dissolve

wander petunia echo zombie gigantic
archer binary charter elongated disruptive

foghorn gaggle history individual joinery
kindly latitude mandate nobody opera

platform quorum rattle statue tabernacle
uncle vibration watercress yearning zither

apricot baffle cabbage debated everywhere
flightless gateway hardly iconic jester

knowledge lovely missile noticed optimism
percolate quantity reversal substitute throbbing

unconscious vertigo whaling yesterday zygote
adversary barricade capable decking envelope

foccacia generator hoping imaginary jelly
kingdom lacerate morbidly nagging opposite

pardon quince ruminate sandstone toffee
universal vermilion workmanship yacht zoology

alphabet beneath challenger cardinal deliberate
fulminate gathering haberdashery paperless attachment
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Sadly this makes more sense than many of the OPs responses.
 
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