New SCOTUS Judge

[AnonyMoose]

If Ford is telling the truth and Kavanaugh is guilty of what she claims, it comes as no surprise that there are other victims of his.

These types of guys don't do this disgusting crap as a one-time-drunk deal, it's a behavioural pattern that occurs many times under the right circumstances.

 

[Stacyhs]

That makes three accusations against K then. It's going to be much harder for the GOP to cram this through now. Karma can be a real bitch, heh Brett?

Avenatti says Ramirez is not his client, so there must be a third one.

ETA: Sorry, meant to quote C Felix's link above. Avenatti says he had a witness who has info on Kavanaugh and Judge and that she is not Ramirez. I don't know if she was also assaulted in some way, or can only give evidence of hearing about or knowing about the incident. Either way, this is not good for K.

Trump and McConnell must be having an apoplectic seizures right now. Can't wait to read his tweets!

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh ****, now Avenatti is involved, this circus just went plaid.

Ford "was it four or two" is now joined by an actual Black Out drunk.

“Brett Kavanaugh and his penis were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and his penis looked at me!”

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

As an aside, if you saw stories about CNN's interview, GOP voter on Kavanaugh: What boy hasn't done this in high school?, it turns out it was misleading. Most of the panel of "voters" were actually Republican political operatives.

1. CNN's framing of this segment was really irresponsible. This purported to be a focus group that would show what "Republican women" think of Kavanagh now. So each woman is identified as a "Republican voter."

2. But in fact the two women who dominated the discussion are not average voters - they're better described as GOP political operatives.

3. The woman in the white sweater, Lourdes Castillo de la Pena, has served on the Republican National Senatorial Committee, and hosted a $1000-a-plate fundraiser for Ted Cruz's presidential campaign at her home.

4. Gina Sosa, who made the now-infamous comment about how all 17-year-old boys have done something like this, was a congressional candidate in the GOP primary this year.

5. Angela Vazquez is a Community Council member in Kendall, in Dade County. In other words, these were not GOP voters plucked off the street. They were, in large part, members of the GOP establishment in Miami-Dade.

Linky.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

The worst thing about the second story, politically, is that according to it Republicans were aware of it when they were making their push to vote Kavanaugh through. Kavanaugh can withdraw and they can put up another conservative judge, but their actions and statements can have a significant cost in the midterms.

 

[Stacyhs]

As an aside, if you saw stories about CNN's interview, GOP voter on Kavanaugh: What boy hasn't done this in high school?, it turns out it was misleading. Most of the panel of "voters" were actually Republican political operatives.



Linky.

They're still Republican voters.

 

[The Big Dog]

The worst thing about the second story, politically, is that according to it Republicans were aware of it when they were making their push to vote Kavanaugh through. Kavanaugh can withdraw and they can put up another conservative judge, but their actions and statements can have a significant cost in the midterms.

You mean when they delayed the vote several times? That in fact is the weakest part of the article, in fact they set the date for voting before our latest hero spent six days thinking about it and convinced herself that remembered seeing a penis. Then they extended the voting date several times.

 

[Minoosh]

Plus it was 30 years later while in marriage counseling.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[kellyb]

As an aside, if you saw stories about CNN's interview, GOP voter on Kavanaugh: What boy hasn't done this in high school?, it turns out it was misleading. Most of the panel of "voters" were actually Republican political operatives.



Linky.

I know CNN doesn't lie/make stuff up like fake news outlets like yournewswire, etc do, but I really do consider them (and Fox) very nearly "state media".

Their "journalistic integrity" leaves a lot to be desired a lot of the time.

 

[Minoosh]

The new term starts in eight days. They want him seated so he can decide cases.

Meh. He'll be there 30 years.

 

[The Big Dog]

What does that have to do with anything?

What is significance of it being 30 years later?

Seriously?

 

[kellyb]

They're still Republican voters.

It was still misleading.

 

[smartcooky]

You mean when they delayed the vote several times? That in fact is the weakest part of the article, in fact they set the date for voting before our latest hero spent six days thinking about it and convinced herself that remembered seeing a penis. Then they extended the voting date several times.

How do you manage you reconcile a crass and disgusting post such as this with your claim to be a Christian?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Another thing to note is this second one would be another potential perjury charge, as he said he never committed sexual assault or harassment as an adult.

I don't know if it was connected in this thread, but Whelan's doppleganger theory and the resignation of one of Grassley's people showed a connection:

Garrett Ventry, a communications aide to Chuck Grassley on the Senate Judiciary Committee, resigned on Saturday morning after NBC News asked him about a sexual harassment allegation in his past. Ventry had been helping direct the strategy to steer Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination after Christine Ford came forward to accuse him of sexual assault. In addition, Ventry worked at a public-relations firm that was involved in crafting a widely publicized (and mocked) theory that Ford had identified the wrong man 36 years ago. Ventry also resigned from that company on Saturday.

NBC reported that the 29-year-old Ventry had been fired in 2017 from the office of North Carolina House Majority Leader John Bell, where he served as social media adviser:

Linky.

Bizarre.

 

[quadraginta]

I don't think a nominee's status as a rapist, or attempted rapist, would have much bearing on constitutionality of laws relating to women.

<snip>

It isn't just a matter of status. It is a reflection of the opinions which that nominee has concerning women, which could and probably would influence the way they evaluated cases concerning women's issues brought before the court.

How about, for example, if someone were to have a case challenging the constitutionality of Maryland not having any statute of limitations for sex crimes?

Do you think that Kavanaugh's beliefs would have no bearing on that?

 

[quadraginta]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

Another allegation, this one from a Yale classmate.

This (from the article) says it all;

Senior Republican staffers also learned of the allegation last week and, in conversations with The New Yorker, expressed concern about its potential impact on Kavanaugh’s nomination. Soon after, Senate Republicans issued renewed calls to accelerate the timing of a committee vote.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Avenatti isn't revealing everything yet, but here is his response to questions from the Senate staff:

From: Michael J. Avenatti

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:06 PM

To: Davis, Mike (Judiciary-Rep)

Subject: RE:SCOTUS - Avenatti claim of evidence

Dear Mr. Davis:

Thank you for your email. We are aware of significant evidence of multiple house parties in the Washington, D.C. area during the early 1980s during which Brett Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, and others would participate in the targeting of women with alcohol/drugs in order to allow a "train" of men to subsequently gang rape them. There are multiple witnesses that will corroborate these facts and each of them must be called to testify publicly. As a starting point, Senate investigators should pose the following questions to Judge Kavanaugh without delay and provide the answers to the American people:

1. Did you ever target one or more women for sex or rape at a house party? Did you ever assist Mark Judge or others in doing so?
   
2. Did you ever attend any house party during which a woman was gang raped or used for sex by multiple men?
   
3. Did you ever witness a line of men outside a bedroom at any house party where you understood a woman was in the bedroom being raped or taken advantage of?
   
4. Did you ever participate in any sexual conduct with a woman at a house party whom you understood to be intoxicated or under the influence of drugs?
   
5. Did you ever communicate with Mark Judge or anyone else about your participation in a "train" involving an intoxicated woman?
   
6. Did you ever object or attempt to prevent one or more men from participating in the rape, or taking advantage, of a woman at any house party?

Please note, that we will provide additional evidence relating to the above conduct both to the Committee and the American public in the coming days.

Regards,

Michael Avenatti

Linky.

This seems related to info on Judge in the New Yorker article on the second accuser:

After seeing Judge’s denial, Elizabeth Rasor, who met Judge at Catholic University and was in a relationship with him for about three years, said that she felt morally obligated to challenge his account that “ ‘no horseplay’ took place at Georgetown Prep with women.” Rasor stressed that “under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t reveal information that was told in confidence,” but, she said, “I can’t stand by and watch him lie.” In an interview with The New Yorker, she said, “Mark told me a very different story.” Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. Rasor said that Judge seemed to regard it as fully consensual. She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated. But Rasor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercut Judge’s protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown Prep. (Barbara Van Gelder, an attorney for Judge, said that he “categorically denies” the account related by Rasor. Van Gelder said that Judge had no further comment.)

Another woman who attended high school in the nineteen-eighties in Montgomery County, Maryland, where Georgetown Prep is located, also refuted Judge’s account of the social scene at the time, sending a letter to Ford’s lawyers saying that she had witnessed boys at parties that included Georgetown Prep students engaging in sexual misconduct. In an interview, the woman, who asked to have her name withheld for fear of political retribution, recalled that male students “would get a female student blind drunk” on what they called “jungle juice”—grain alcohol mixed with Hawaiian Punch—then try to take advantage of her. “It was disgusting,” she said. “They treated women like meat.”

Linky.

 

[The Big Dog]

This (from the article) says it all;

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Yeah, it is clearly false.

The vote was set for September 21 long before this woman’s claim was made. It was extended several times since then.

Why do people believe such nonsense when it is clearly inconsistent with the facts?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

"I represent a woman with credible information regarding Judge Kavanaugh and Mark Judge. We will be demanding the opportunity to present testimony to the committee and will likewise be demanding that Mark Judge and others be subpoenaed to testify."
-- Michael Avenatti (Sept 23, 2018)


Maybe they can get Stormy Daniels to come dance when the committee breaks for lunch.

"A splendid time is guaranteed for all." -- John Lennon (Being for the Benefit of Mr. K)

 

[Stacyhs]

It was still misleading.

I disagree. So one of them served (past tense was used) on a committee and hosted a fundraiser. Another ran in and lost a GOP primary. Another served on a lowly Community Council. Right now, none of them hold any GOP office so that makes them voters.

And that idiot woman who basically declared "boys will be boys" made me want to throw up. I was at plenty of parties with boys that age and not a one ever sexually assaulted me. My attacker was a man and so were the men (not boys) who exposed themselves to me. I am so sick and tired of this tendency not to hold late teen boys responsible for their "hormones" as if that gives them a free pass to assault girls.