New Revised Saudi Textbooks Still Teach Hate

[CFLarsen]

Fair's fair: It isn't as if Islam has a monopoly on that kind of belief:

Matthew 10:21
And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

Matthew 10:35-36
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Matthew 11:21-24
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

2 John 1:9-11
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Mind you, these are from the New Testament. The Old Testament is filled to the brim with much worse things.

 

[gtc]

Larsen,

Do you want to put your first quote in context?

 

[mrbaracuda]

Fair's fair: It isn't as if Islam has a monopoly on that kind of belief:

Yawn. What would a 'New Revised Saudi Textbooks Still Teach Hate' thread be without a bit of Christianity bashing inserted.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Larsen,

Do you want to put your first quote in context?

Or the second one. Or and or etc etc. But that wouldn't be fun!

 

[CFLarsen]

Or the second one. Or and or etc etc. But that wouldn't be fun!

There you go!

 

[gtc]

Is that a no?

 

[CFLarsen]

Is that a no?

No.

I know what you are going to say, and here is my answer to that:

God allows it.

 

[gtc]

So your claim is that the Christian bible teaches people to hate the unbeliever too and your evidence for this is that bad things happen in the world.

That is a pretty ****-weak argument right there.

 

[CFLarsen]

So your claim is that the Christian bible teaches people to hate the unbeliever too

No. Part of the claim: That Christian bible teaches people some very wacky things.

and your evidence for this is that bad things happen in the world.

You are not making the argument that there are things happening in the world that are outside God's control - are you?

 

[gtc]

No. Part of the claim: That Christian bible teaches people some very wacky things.

That isn't what you said in post #41.

You are not making the argument that there are things happening in the world that are outside God's control - are you?

As I said, your argument is pretty ****-weak.

 

[CFLarsen]

That isn't what you said in post #41.



As I said, your argument is pretty ****-weak.

As I said: God allows it.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Quadra religious world needs Quadra religious person of Quadra World Religious Unit Holy Book.
People’s common cultural code insists there.
With out nonconfluence unity of four World Religious inside every man it is impossible to be multicultural man of future global multicultural world.
I want to see the world of 6.7 billions of Jewish Bible Believers, 6.7 billions Christian Bible Believers, 6.7 billions Koran Believers and 6.7 billions Tripitaha Believers.
The most impotent evidences of religion – cultural history of global civilization:
1 Moshe gets Torah from God for 40 years long.
2 Enlightenment of Buddha.
3 Christ Resurrection
4 God given Koran to Muhammad.
5 Resurrection of Holy Language after 2500 years of death.
6 Resurrection of Israel after 2900 being death of Holy Solomon State.

In future Holy Resurrected Israel will be the capital state of Quadra Religious people and Holy Resurrected Language will be worldwide global lingua franca of multilingual persons.
Monolingual persons will not be at all.

 

[gtc]

That doesn't help Claus proove his silly claim.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

People will have symmetry of job and free weeks.
After those Muslim Stage People will have free day in their job weeks in Friday, Judaic stage people – in Saturday, Christian stage people – in Sunday, Buddhist stage people – in every day of job weeks except Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
I call it full New Shabaton or Neoshabaton – NS.
Old full Shabaton is a good think too – seventh day of every week, tenth day of every moon month., every seventh moon month, every seventh year (Shabaton) – to be free from job according Torah.
It gives symmetrical quantity of creative job days and days of freedom and communication with God.
OT – NT worked well together in Christian Bible – OS – NS will work together in FIFTY PERCENT JOB TIME – FIFTY PERCENT FREE TIME NEW GLOBAL LIFESTYLE.

 

[gumboot]

Sure...how about I take the word "gay" as used in an 18th century novel, and use it to interpret the exact meaning of the word "gay" in a 20th century novel? It makes about as much sense.

So you're saying that when the textbook uses the word that has been translated as "kill" it doesn't mean "kill"?

The question here is not whether or not Islam teaches hatred, or how to interpret specific passages in the Koran. The question here is whether a religious textbook from Saudi Arabia teaches active hatred; or whether the specific use of the word "hate" in the English translation may or may not render the exact meaning accurately.

The use or non-use of the word "hate" is irrelevant. The text book can teach hate without using the specific word "hate" at all.

A passage in the textbook promotes the righteous killing of Jews (based on the translation). That is teaching hatred. Period.

So do you contend that the use of the word "kill" in the passage in question is inaccurate? Yes or no?

 

[gumboot]

It's quite irrelevant what their religious texts teach. This discussion is about a modern text book.

CFLarsen: if you can cite a modern Christian text that promotes violence and so forth, you have a point. If you cannot, you do not have a point.

(Note that I'm not trying to disagree with your general point - I wouldn't be surprised at all if such texts exist, I'm just saying that as stands your current argument is irrelevant to the discussion)

 

[Sunni Man]

If you were in a Christian Sunday school class that was teaching the Old Testament. There would be parts of the class room text book that would have Bible passages telling about slaughtering Pagan towns of men, women, children and animals in the name of God.

The course book would be a modern text. But the subject matter would be about an ancient book.

Same with the Saudi textbooks. A modern book about an ancient and historical book.

 

[Ziggurat]

If you were in a Christian Sunday school class that was teaching the Old Testament. There would be parts of the class room text book that would have Bible passages telling about slaughtering Pagan towns of men, women, children and animals in the name of God.

The course book would be a modern text. But the subject matter would be about an ancient book.

Same with the Saudi textbooks. A modern book about an ancient and historical book.

Previously you argued that this was a mistranslation, because sometimes people mistranslate the Q'uran to claim it says hateful things. Now you're arguing that we're not taking the context into account, and that hateful statements should be excused because they're dealing with "historical" texts. Your arguments seem to contradict each other. And you remain notably silent about your own views on the subject of whether believers can love nonbelievers or not.

 

[Sunni Man]

And you remain notably silent about your own views on the subject of whether believers can love nonbelievers or not.

Post #14 explains the teaching of the Quran on this subject. As a Muslin I accept what the Quran says.

I personally have No love for unbelievers.

Why should I?

Their only destination is Hell

 

[Texas]

If you were in a Christian Sunday school class that was teaching the Old Testament. There would be parts of the class room text book that would have Bible passages telling about slaughtering Pagan towns of men, women, children and animals in the name of God.

The course book would be a modern text. But the subject matter would be about an ancient book.

Same with the Saudi textbooks. A modern book about an ancient and historical book.

In Christian Sunday School the lesson is from the New Testament in the vast majority of cases and that is why it is called Christian Sunday School. No where in the New Testament do you find Jesus demanding the slaughter of men, women, and children in his name pagan or otherwise.