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New perspectives on Relativity

And when I close my eyes, I can be a purple Rhino living on a comet. There are no limits to what I can experience within myself. That is why I must be God. That is why you must be God.
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Actually, you can't experience;

* Real love. You threw this away with your insanity
* The thrill of converting anyone. You have none and never will.
* Being respected. No one does
* Doing any genuine good. You are too lazy and selfish
* The ability to perform an actual miracle. One someone else sees...

But on the other hand, you can imagine you have experienced all of these things! And after all, if you can imagine it, it's true!

Oh, and DO keep on whittering away... you have no idea how much you are shifting the balance towards evil by this continuous display of God-asshattery! Thank you, THANK YOU!
 
lifegazer said:
Didn't you read my analogy, the other day, about computer games and observed reality?
... In a game, events unfold as you turn a corner or a bush or go over a hill, etc.; but until you turn that corner or bush or go over that hill, no events are actually occuring. There's just stored information (knowledge, if you like) of what will happen if anyone turns a particular corner/bush or goes over a particular hill.
The game-disc has enough information to create a mini-world, but no events happen unless someone seeks for them to happen.
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I read it and I even told you that Im using the same analogy for a paper Im writing (BTW, I do not use it as an argument to propose another model of reality, like yours, Im only concerned by our use of language and its relations to concepts and science paradigms). I also told you that this computer game theory implies that there is an external reality, independent from you (even if it is not material in the usual sense), but you didnt answer that part.
 
lifegazer said:
I shall save all without a miracle. That's the biggest miracle possible to imagine. But it will be done.
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So, the miracle will consist of you making us believe you without using reasonable arguments?
That would indeed be a miracle.

Sounds good, carry on.
 
Originally posted by lifegazer
I shall save all without a miracle. That's the biggest miracle possible to imagine. But it will be done.
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1-Is your God all powerful?
2- Is your God all knowing?
3-Does your God have free will?


If your God wishes his thoughts to believe in one way or another , to be "saved" then if the answer to the above 3 is yes 'he' will take care it himself.

It seems after a billion years or so of having human thoughts he got along without you around "saving " anyone so it may not be in his plan.
 
LG

Youre saying that absolute space time doesnt exist (ie spacetime beyond our awareness), therefore only one entity exists, that being god?

What is god? A consciousness taking up zero space?

Since youre saying that we are all experiences, what would happen if we all died? That is total destruction of every living thing. The experience is now gone. Would god then wake up from the dream?
 
While I'm nagging, lifegazer, you might want to try the following (it's on topic, I promise):

Having labled my post about dismissing all sound proof derived from observation "silly", and having declared that you are confident that your theory describes the ultimate truth, you should have no trouble proving in a logically sound way that the theory of relativity is not a lie fed to you by the matrix to blind you from the truth.
I will also remind you, though it is not directly on topic, that it is still up to you to prove that all experiences must logically have a cause.
If you cannot prove these things, the argument about relativity becomes entirely vacuous when discussing the ultimate truth.
Let's first establish whether observations can tell us anything definite about the ultimate truth before we ask ourselves whether or not they do.
 
H'ethetheth said:
...Let's first establish whether observations can tell us anything definite about the ultimate truth before we ask ourselves whether or not they do.
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This would seem like a better starting place to illuminate some of the mysteries of your "philosophy", Lg.

Even more succintly, "What can our observations tell us?"

If we assume a real material world then our observations combined with the scientific method can reveal the shape and structure and the energy patterns of that world.

In your philosophy no material world exists so every observation about it is false. What do we learn from this falseness? How and why should we trust the falseness if it seems to break down for you during hypothetical thought experiments about relativistic frames because of your skills with language?

Isn't your whole philosophy built on intuition? All observation is false. It is inherently unreliable as it speaks to an illusion of existence. An illusion that may or may not be the same for everyone who happens to believe they are experiencing something real and substantial.

Because of this falsity only intuition can pierce the veil, correct? And you're the only piercer who intuits correctly?

You will provide no demonstration of how this intuitive power is capable of moving mountains or healing the sick. We demand it of science and science answers with demonstrations that we percieve within our awareness.

We don't accept science based on its empty promise but on the fullness of its mastery of the world it says exists outside us. The world that seems apparent to us all. If we reject science and its truth aren't we smart to reject it for an improved model of truth and existence that offers us at least the same fullness of experience.

Anyway I started this with the value of observation but I'm ending up here at value of your philosophy. So far the value is the promise that we will be able to do great things and you have mentioned that we can be a purple rhino but that is the closest you've come to proving there is something special about your philosophy. There must be more. Only a fool would give up water to drink dust. We seem to already hold the water glass in a real material world - you seem to offer us a dream that is dry as dust.

What is wrong with this picture?
 
wraith said:
What is god? A consciousness taking up zero space?
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A boundless non-spatial entity. Not to be confused with an infinitessimal dot. Space only has meaning in a dream, as do terms such as "outside" or "beyond".
The Holy Ghost. Self-aware with the ability to create any experience for itself.
Since youre saying that we are all experiences, what would happen if we all died? That is total destruction of every living thing. The experience is now gone. Would god then wake up from the dream?
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God cannot die. In my philosophy, God exists in three states of awareness:
(1) Divinely aware... or, God-aware. The dream maker.
(2) Divinely unaware... lost in the dream of being and expression(amongst the world) and believing itself to be an object (lifeform with awareness) within that dream.
(3) Dead to being and expression in the world, but still existent and Divinely Unaware.

In state '2', God has the potential to realise that it is God lost within a dream. Hence, Divine expression is a possibility. I cannot prove that Jesus existed, but such a man would be the epitome of Divine expression whilst lost within the dream. Having crossed the bridge between states 2 & 1, those that do this find heaven within.

In state '3', God lives but is unaware that it is God. It's sensations have ceased and there is no outlet for expression - for eternity. But thought & emotion persists. Eternal loneliness and madness and rage and sorrow ensues. Hell, I think.

Can one escape state 3? I don't know. Perhaps. But if you cannot find God within yourself here in state 2, what chance have you there in state 3? By "finding God within yourself", I mean that one has absolute faith in the fact that One is God. Then, for God, all things are possible - even the return to being.
... The resurrection.

When God embarked upon the road to Self-expression, It did so with the knowledge that It would have to endure the experience of hell to become aware of heavenly experience. And It did so with the knowledge that the choices It made whilst lost within the dream would have to be honoured. God's choices are God's choices.

Remember to read all this within the context that only God exists. Only God suffers. And only God finds heaven. There is nobody else.
 
In honor of wraith's brief cameo, I'd like to ask lifegazer if he's read any of Franko's stuff on his "Logical Deism". It wasn't really that different from lifegazer's philosophy. It started with the premise that God's existance could be reasoned out and proved through the use of logic. The problem is that the two of you came out with vastly different results (other then the ferver-like clinging to the belief in God).

Under the very large assumption that these two theist possibilities are the only choices, why should we believe yours over Franko's?
 
I don't know Franko or his philosophy. I can't comment. Do you have a link to some of his more interesting or relevant posts?
 
lifegazer said:
In state '3', God lives but is unaware that it is God. It's sensations have ceased and there is no outlet for expression - for eternity. But thought & emotion persists. Eternal loneliness and madness and rage and sorrow ensues. Hell, I think.

Can one escape state 3? I don't know. Perhaps. But if you cannot find God within yourself here in state 2, what chance have you there in state 3? By "finding God within yourself", I mean that one has absolute faith in the fact that One is God. Then, for God, all things are possible - even the return to being.
... The resurrection.
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Um...god knows all and can do all. He wouldn't enter state 2 if it was going to state 3. God can only enter a personal hell if he chooses to do so.
 
lifegazer said:


God cannot die.
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Funny you have said over and over we were killing God by not believing in him??


In state '3', God lives but is unaware that it is God.
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But yet you believe you are God, I am God etc and you are aware you are God??

This all knowing all powerful being is not too all knowing if it knows less then you ( no disrespect to you).
 
RussDill said:
Um...god knows all and can do all. He wouldn't enter state 2 if it was going to state 3. God can only enter a personal hell if he chooses to do so.
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the rule book for this is bigger then the NFL's
 
I've been reading stuff from that link for about 10 minutes or so and am already aware of how vastly different his stuff is from mine.
The only bit he got right was when he described LG as the "top graviton". ;)
 
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