Neurocluster Brain Model/Moses and Yogis

[dafydd]

If the dream characters do not have their own consciousness, then how can it be that these dream characters can communicate with you,.

They're not comunicating with you, that's why it's called a dream.

 

[dafydd]

Forty days of starvation is not necessarily needed in order to begin seeing the hallucinations, the man might begin seeing hallucinations after shorter period of starvation.
And not all people die after forty days of starvation – some people die, however some people survive. And in the case if the man has survived such prolonged starvation, he will begin seeing the hallucinations. And the ones who have survived and see hallucinations – many of such people believe that they have entered the “spiritual worlds”. It is important to note that short duration starvation will not carry the man into the “spiritual worlds” because the body will use the accumulated resources to keep the equilibrium of brain’s biochemical reactions intact, and only long enough starvation will knock out the biochemical equilibrium when some of vital biochemical substances will be depleted.

I didn't know that those 1970's IRA hunger strikers were holy men. They went longer than forty days.

 

[dafydd]

One of my questions went unanswered. If you turn on a light bulb in a dream, where does the electricity come from?

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

One of my questions went unanswered. If you turn on a light bulb in a dream, where does the electricity come from?

Brain contains neural circuits (neuroclusters) which are responsible for modeling of the surrounding physical world. These neural circuits simulate the virtual copy of the real physical world.
The light bulb in a dream does not need "electricity" in order to shine, because it is just a model of the light bulb which is simulated by the cluster of neurons.
Neuroclusters in the brain usually store models of real-world-objects, however neuroclusters can also store models of non-real-world objects (a good example or non-real-world object is “chakras”).
Models of the objects can be copied from one human brain into another human brain in the similar way like computer files can be copied from one computer into another. The model of object X is copied from one human brain into another brain when man A tells to man B the features of object X, draws and shows the pictures of object X, makes statuette of object X and shows it, etc.
When two or more people have the same identical (or very similar) model of object X written in their brains – this phenomenon is called the “egregor X”.

 

[wrs]

Eastern esoteric schools are superior to abrahamic religions because eastern esoteric schools have workable techniques and tools for “getting into the spiritual worlds” and “meeting spiritual beings”, while in abrahamic religions only few random adepts manage to “get into the spiritual worlds” and these “spiritual” adepts have no clue how did they managed to “get into the spiritual world” and they can’t teach these skills for other adepts. Adepts of abrahamic religions explain this situation in the following way – God acts in mysterious ways, God chooses some people in mysterious ways and God gives these chosen people the ability to get into “spiritual world”. In other words adepts of abrahamic religions have no control and no workable techniques and no working tools for “getting into spiritual worlds” – there are however some exceptions, like Pentecostalism.

According to the descriptions of Jesus, if he existed, he was also an adept, cf the transfiguration.

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

I didn't know that those 1970's IRA hunger strikers were holy men. They went longer than forty days.

Starvation without water and starvation with water have different consequences. Starvation without water induce hallucinations much faster. That is the reason why Moses had starved without water before receiving the Commandments.

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

Evidence? Literature citations?

Here is one example:
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http://www.survival-goods.com/v/9_Longest_Records_for_Surviving_without_Food/
Barry Horne (1998)
Time Survived: 68 Days
<....>
He began his third and last hunger strike in October 1998. On day 43 of his hunger strike he received the last rights and was placed in a “hunger strike cell”, fitted with just a cardboard chair and table. By day 66 he was hallucinating, deaf in one ear and blind in one eye; he could no longer remember why he was on hunger strike. After 68 days without food he ended his ordeal.
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It is well known fact in the medicine that long starvation induces hallucinations.

 

[I Ratant]

All the characters in a dream come from -your- brain.
Your brain writes the scenarios and dialog.

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

All the characters in a dream come from -your- brain.
Your brain writes the scenarios and dialog.

That's right, exactly.
Some "piece of the brain" (cluster of neurons) accomplishes the job of modelling of the dream character's behavior. This neurocluster acts as independent entity and communicates with man's "main personality" in a dream.

 

[Resume]

While Yogi fasted, Boo-Boo scarfed up all the pic-i-nick baskets.

 

[I Ratant]

That's right, exactly.
Some "piece of the brain" (cluster of neurons) accomplishes the job of modelling of the dream character's behavior. This neurocluster acts as independent entity and communicates with man's "main personality" in a dream.

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No, the "neurocluster" doesn't. The brain has no "independent entities", no matter how many you invent and trot out here.

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

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No, the "neurocluster" doesn't. The brain has no "independent entities", no matter how many you invent and trot out here.

The existence of autonomous neuroclusters can be clearly seen in split-brain patients. The most important and interesting result from split-brain experiments is when different information (text or picture) is provided into different hemispheres simultaneously. The technical accomplishment is very easy. The right eye provides information for the left hemisphere and the left eye provides information for the right hemisphere. If different pictures are provided into different eyes then different hemispheres get different information. The split-brain patient can easily tell what the left hemisphere has seen because the language production zone (Broca's area) is located in the left hemisphere. However when information is provided for the right hemisphere then the split-brain patient is unable to tell what he has seen, the split-brain patient claims that he saw nothing. The most important and interesting part of the experiment is when a sheet of paper is given to the split-brain patient and he is asked that left hand (i.e. right hemisphere) would draw a picture of what it has seen. And the left hand draws on the paper the object which was seen by the right hemisphere. During the drawing process the left hemisphere tries to recognize the object in drawn picture – sometimes it recognizes drawn object quite easily however sometimes it fails to recognize the object in the picture. The right hemisphere does not have the access to the information which is at the disposal of the left hemisphere and the left hemisphere does not have the access to the information which is at the disposal of the right hemisphere.
However the right hemisphere can transfer information into the left hemisphere via picture drawn on the paper, i.e. via exterior and not via internal link in the brain (because corpus callosum is cut). I.e. the right hemisphere can communicate with the left hemisphere only as two separate independent personalities via external outside link. For more details please see the documental movie bellow “Severed Corpus callosum” starting from 2 minutes 51 seconds. During the experiment the word “phone” was shown to the right hemisphere and the right hemisphere has drawn the image of phone on the sheet of paper which clearly shows that the right hemisphere is able to convert words into images.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGwsAdS9Dc#t=2m51s

The main personality which resides inside the left hemisphere does not know what will be drawn on paper by the right hemisphere. The main personality observes and sees that information for the first time, the main personality has never seen this information before.
This experiment provides a very good model for explaining psychography (a.k.a. automatic writing) phenomenon during which independent autonomic neurocluster takes over the hand control and writes a text on the sheet of paper while the main personality does not know what will be written on the sheet of paper. Exactly the same underlying mechanism is in channeling (a.k.a. mediumship) when autonomic neurocluster takes over the voice control while the main personality does not know which words will be told during channeling séance.
Experiments with split-brain patients clearly show that the brain is made up of a constellation of independent or semi-independent agents, and these agents, these processes can carry on a vast number of activities outside of the main personality’s conscious awareness.

 

[Olowkow]

A human being can survive an average of three to five days without the intake of water.

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

A human being can survive an average of three to five days without the intake of water.

The exact number of days which Moses and Jesus had starved is not important. The number of days (40) may have been exaggerated. Maybe they have starved 30, 20, 15 or whatever days - it does not matter. The number of days is not important.
What matters here is that prolonged starvation produces hallucinations, and after the person had experienced hallucinations he may loose the count of days and may exaggerate the number of days - this is normal scenario.

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http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/live-without-food-and-water1.htm
Advanced starvation will cause your organs to shut down one by one. People
in the throes of severe starvation might experience the following:
Hallucinations

http://www.survival-goods.com/v/9_Longest_Records_for_Surviving_without_Food/
Barry Horne (1998)
Time Survived: 68 Days
<....>
He began his third and last hunger strike in October 1998. On day 43 of
his hunger strike he received the last rights and was placed in a “hunger
strike cell”, fitted with just a cardboard chair and table. By day 66 he
was hallucinating, deaf in one ear and blind in one eye; he could no
longer remember why he was on hunger strike. After 68 days without food he
ended his ordeal.
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[I Ratant]

This is the proper forum to post badly understood science, with worse interpretations of the science, usually going wooish.
Good on yez!

 

[Brian-M]

And not all people die after forty days of starvation – some people die, however some people survive.

It's not the forty days of starvation we're complaining about. That would be (occasionally) survivable, if only barely. It's the forty days without water that's the problem. Nobody can survive without water for that long.

Here is one example:
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http://www.survival-goods.com/v/9_Longest_Records_for_Surviving_without_Food/
Barry Horne (1998)
Time Survived: 68 Days

But that wasn't without "food and water". He was still drinking water, and after 51 days he spent three days consuming sugared tea and fruit juices as well.

The pressure on the government was also increasing. Two days after the move to hospital, a Labour MP, Kerry Pollard faxed a letter to Barry at the hospital which purported to be new proposals. It was around 8 pages long, and Barry was in no condition to concentrate.

He decided to take sugared tea and fruit juice in order to be able to evaluate the proposals. Three days later on November 29th, Barry decided the 'proposals' were not enough, and resumed the water only fast. Later the government and media would use this in a cynical attempt to undermine the hunger strike.

http://www.barryhorne.org/hungerstrikes.html

 

[dafydd]

Starvation without water and starvation with water have different consequences. Starvation without water induce hallucinations much faster. That is the reason why Moses had starved without water before receiving the Commandments.

He didn't. He didn't exist. It's just an old story.

 

[dafydd]

The exact number of days which Moses and Jesus had starved is not important. The number of days (40) may have been exaggerated. Maybe they have starved 30, 20, 15 or whatever days - it does not matter. The number of days is not important.
What matters here is that prolonged starvation produces hallucinations, and after the person had experienced hallucinations he may loose the count of days and may exaggerate the number of days - this is normal scenario.

==================
http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/live-without-food-and-water1.htm
Advanced starvation will cause your organs to shut down one by one. People
in the throes of severe starvation might experience the following:
Hallucinations

http://www.survival-goods.com/v/9_Longest_Records_for_Surviving_without_Food/
Barry Horne (1998)
Time Survived: 68 Days
<....>
He began his third and last hunger strike in October 1998. On day 43 of
his hunger strike he received the last rights and was placed in a “hunger
strike cell”, fitted with just a cardboard chair and table. By day 66 he
was hallucinating, deaf in one ear and blind in one eye; he could no
longer remember why he was on hunger strike. After 68 days without food he
ended his ordeal.
==================

What about the water? Stop running away from your claim.

 

[dafydd]

Brain contains neural circuits (neuroclusters) which are responsible for modeling of the surrounding physical world. These neural circuits simulate the virtual copy of the real physical world.
The light bulb in a dream does not need "electricity" in order to shine, because it is just a model of the light bulb which is simulated by the cluster of neurons.
Neuroclusters in the brain usually store models of real-world-objects, however neuroclusters can also store models of non-real-world objects (a good example or non-real-world object is “chakras”).
Models of the objects can be copied from one human brain into another human brain in the similar way like computer files can be copied from one computer into another. The model of object X is copied from one human brain into another brain when man A tells to man B the features of object X, draws and shows the pictures of object X, makes statuette of object X and shows it, etc.
When two or more people have the same identical (or very similar) model of object X written in their brains – this phenomenon is called the “egregor X”.

Any evidence? Non-real-world objects? If they are not in the real world then they are not objects. Very amusing. Where did you study science and what are your qualifications?

 

[catsmate]

it might be argued that Israelite shamans, like others, used fasting to induce ecstatic states, and that a cultural memory of this practice has been incorporated into the fictional stories about Moses and Jesus. But that too would need evidence to support it. Is there any?

Hmmm, perhaps. I'm a little dubious that starvation/fasting is that effective or reliable at inducing ecstatic states, a quick literature survey suggests otherwise.

How about you first provide evidence that either Moses or Jesus actually existed? After that, then we can talk about whether or not they had starvation fueled hallucinations.

That would be a good start; Jesus is just about believable (though not the biblical version of course) but believing Moses was real is just silly.

The food plays an important role in achieving the heights of the spirituality and for this reason special diets are recommended for religious adepts (such as eastern yogic teaching, etc) which disturb the equilibrium of biochemical reactions inside the brain which greatly helps to induce hallucinations,

however the starvation is even more effective technique than special diets.

Almost all spiritual gurus teach that in order to increase spirituality one needs to starve himself, and some spiritual gurus claim that 40 days of starvation without the food and water guarantees the entrance into the “spiritual worlds”.

Long starvation disturbs the equilibrium of biochemical reactions inside the brain which result in the blockade of sensory input signals and invokes the dream simulator which carries a man into “spiritual worlds”.