Neil Gaiman "cancelled"?

So Gaiman now joins Joss Whedon as an artist I liked who had turned out to be despicible.
 
Rolfe said:
I actually have a first-hand example of the dilemma created by the cancelling of Neil Gaiman.

I'm writing something about Wagner's Ring, and in the chapter dealing with act 1 of Die Walküre I'm discussing the identity of a new character who has just been introduced, real name "Siegmund", but he is going by the alias of "Wehwalt". The audience is being given progressive hints that this fugitive young man is in fact the son of Wotan (Odin), chief of the gods. There is one more hint than is generally recognised, and may well not have been intentional on the part of the composer.

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I was quite pleased with myself for being able to bring in the Gaiman reference, as it brought the word "Wednesday" right into play as an actual name applied to the character. Now I'm wondering if I should delete that bolded sentence, even though the relevance is completely unaffected by any of Gaiman's transgressions. Thoughts?
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I feel like the Gaiman reference just gets you further away from the topic you're actually talking about.

If the discussion is about what Wagner knew, then the linguistic flourishes of a novelist writing a hundred years later are kind of a distraction.
 
theprestige said:
There was plenty of foresight at the time the thread started. No need to preemptively imply that the incipient cancellation was somehow fake.
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I didn't know anything about it. Unlike you, I don't know everything about everything that happens.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I didn't know anything about it. Unlike you, I don't know everything about everything that happens.
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I mean, "reddit Gaiman scandal" is a valid search string.

Or you could have simply asked, rather than implying you didn't believe the cancellation was real, a priori.

I'm not complaining about you not knowing and being curious. I'm complaining about the scare quotes. Why the scare quotes?
 
theprestige said:
I mean, "reddit Gaiman scandal" is a valid search string.

Or you could have simply asked, rather than implying you didn't believe the cancellation was real, a priori.

I'm not complaining about you not knowing and being curious. I'm complaining about the scare quotes. Why the scare quotes?
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Jeez, prestige, sometimes quotes are just quotes.

At the beginning of this there was much more “fog of war” so people were talking of “pausing” various projects as a result of allegations. Was this it really just a “pause”? Or was it being “cancelled”? Now some are saying that the story is wrapping up in a “thrilling conclusion”. Others have said it is an obvious “rush job”, etc… etc…
 
theprestige said:
There was plenty of foresight at the time the thread started. No need to preemptively imply that the incipient cancellation was somehow fake.
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The article Orphia linked merely stated that the production on the Good Omens show had been halted, not cancelled. Hence quotes that are not necessarily scare quotes.
 
Puppycow said:
Shock sexual assault allegations against author Neil Gaiman could unravel as texts reveal 'consensual' bath time with nanny (The Daily Mail)

If these texts are genuine, they put it in a different light. These have been submitted as evidence by Gaiman's legal team in response to the lawsuit.
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That is interesting, Puppycow.

Also, I note that you had seen some discrepencies in the story as related in the podcast and the article:

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I'm starting to listen to the podcast, and noticing some subtle(?) differences between this account and the one she gave to the interviewer of the podcast.
This is from the complaint:

And here is the transcript of the podcast: (automatically generated by software, but it has convenient timestamps if you want to listen to it)
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Hmmm... what are we to make of this?

I guess that hers is not the only complaint, although as far as I understand, she is the only one to take legal/civil action....
 
Puppycow said:
Shock sexual assault allegations against author Neil Gaiman could unravel as texts reveal 'consensual' bath time with nanny (The Daily Mail)

If these texts are genuine, they put it in a different light. These have been submitted as evidence by Gaiman's legal team in response to the lawsuit.
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For me, it's about the power imbalance. She's homeless, destitute, and trapped on an island with her patrons. If the texts were exchanged during the period of the events in question, then I think we need to seriously consider whether she's making nice as a survival tactic.

In general, I think that any time there's a significant power imbalance, we cannot really assert consent on the part of the subservient party.
 
In the podcast, it was pretty clear she felt pressured to do and say what Gaiman wanted.

It was a survival instinct. She had no job, no money, and was being offered security from a stranger in exchange for what happened. When it turned nasty, compliance seemed the path of least resistance and safest, not knowing what else he might do.
 
Orphia Nay said:
In the podcast, it was pretty clear she felt pressured to do and say what Gaiman wanted.

It was a survival instinct. She had no job, no money, and was being offered security from a stranger in exchange for what happened. When it turned nasty, compliance seemed the path of least resistance and safest, not knowing what else he might do.
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Come on going back to the abuser proves that there was never any abuse in the first place to most people.
 
theprestige said:
In general, I think that any time there's a significant power imbalance, we cannot really assert consent on the part of the subservient party.
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OK, that's a philosophical position similar to positions held by certain radical feminists. But there is a more immediate question of whether she is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth as they say. She stands to gain $7 million (minus lawyers' fees) if this lawsuit is successful, so there might be an incentive to exaggerate.
 
Puppycow said:
OK, that's a philosophical position similar to positions held by certain radical feminists. But there is a more immediate question of whether she is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth as they say. She stands to gain $7 million (minus lawyers' fees) if this lawsuit is successful, so there might be an incentive to exaggerate.
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She didn't stand to win anything when she did the podcast interviews. It was seen as unprosecutable. The court case is just a natural extension of the others also coming out and her story getting heard and legal minds hearing.
 
Rolfe said:
I actually have a first-hand example of the dilemma created by the cancelling of Neil Gaiman.

I'm writing something about Wagner's Ring, and in the chapter dealing with act 1 of Die Walküre I'm discussing the identity of a new character who has just been introduced, real name "Siegmund", but he is going by the alias of "Wehwalt". The audience is being given progressive hints that this fugitive young man is in fact the son of Wotan (Odin), chief of the gods. There is one more hint than is generally recognised, and may well not have been intentional on the part of the composer.

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I was quite pleased with myself for being able to bring in the Gaiman reference, as it brought the word "Wednesday" right into play as an actual name applied to the character. Now I'm wondering if I should delete that bolded sentence, even though the relevance is completely unaffected by any of Gaiman's transgressions. Thoughts?
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You could go for a Viking reference if you want?
Disputed which norse god, but you could easily draw a parallel with Wehwalt, particularly given the outcome of his visit.
 
That's a bit niche! Supposed to be Loki, but Loki is in the room too in the scene I'm referring to, trying to get Siegmund to pay attention to what is stuck in the trunk of the ash tree.
 
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