Near death experiences

[slipknot0129]

But people actually have BAD ONES.

How do you explain bad NDEs?

Some people are just out of luck. I feel lucky and I'll go to heaven.

 

[MikeG]

Hey- now I think I better understand your purpose for posting here!.......

I found this thread helped me to come to that understanding.

 

[bruto]

Some people are just out of luck. I feel lucky and I'll go to heaven.

I thought there was a loving god. Now it seems some of us are "just out of luck." Nice guy, your god there. Don't get too cocky. A god that capricious and nasty might also be lying to you just to hear you squeal like a pig when the time comes.

 

[Craig4]

Yeah God only lets certain people have good NDE's. The rest of us have to die fully to have the full experience.

More proof that this is just a story to tell yourself to deal with you fear of death. Pretty soon you'll have built all kinds of exceptions to get around the problems with your story.

 

[slipknot0129]

More proof that this is just a story to tell yourself to deal with you fear of death. Pretty soon you'll have built all kinds of exceptions to get around the problems with your story.

I don't fear death, as life continues.

 

[bruto]

I don't fear death, as life continues.

Procrastinate all you want, but the grave's a fine and private place, as the wise poet said, so if you plan to do anything useful or to have any fun, you'd better do it before, rather than after, you die.

 

[Mark F]

I don't fear death, as life continues.

I don't fear death either. I've been dead (I got better) and there is nothing on the other side.

Or you can believe in the guy who said this:

Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkey's.
I Samuel 15:3

Your choice.

 

[slipknot0129]

I don't fear death either. I've been dead (I got better) and there is nothing on the other side.

Or you can believe in the guy who said this:

Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkey's.
I Samuel 15:3

Your choice.

I don't fear death as people have seen God in their near death experiences.

 

[fagin]

Was he a beardy bloke with crazy eyes?

 

[arthwollipot]

I don't fear death as people have seen God in their near death experiences.

How do you know?

 

[Craig4]

I don't fear death, as life continues.

If you just told yourself that, no one would care. You came here though where there's an expectation that you provide evidence for your claims. Prove life continues.

 

[Craig4]

I don't fear death as people have seen God in their near death experiences.

I wouldn't trust what anyone says they saw in a near death experience. Oxygen deprivation causes the brain to do many strange things.

 

[Giordano]

I found this thread helped me to come to that understanding.

Thought provoking, isn't it?

 

[Thor 2]

I don't fear death as people have seen God in their near death experiences.

Do you have any kind of filter you put these testimonials from others through or do you just believe them all? (As long as they are inline with your own beliefs that is.)

 

[bruto]

I don't fear death as people have seen God in their near death experiences.

I have an alternative theory, which is that if there were eternal life after death, it would be proof of hell. Especially the bland, pink mush that's usually served up. I think it was Anatole France who observed that the average person who doesn't know what to do with the life he has craves another that lasts forever. No thanks. I'll be very happy to live a long and happy life, but I respectfully decline eternity.

 

[Thor 2]

Was he a beardy bloke with crazy eyes?

Slipknot has referred to god as a she so I think not.

Slipknot is reticent about revealing the source of his/her theistic beliefs so it's hard to get a handle on it. I'm tending to think it is all being made up on the run.

 

[Belz...]

Some people are just out of luck. I feel lucky and I'll go to heaven.

Wait a second. One post prior to this you said bad NDEs don't happen. Do you accept now that they do?

And how does that affect your claim that NDEs prove that love is awaiting on the other side?

 

[JayUtah]

I don't fear death as people have seen God in their near death experiences.

Or, more accurately, people who are religious interpret the experience according to their religious vernacular. Christians see the Christian God, Muslims see Allah or Mohammed, etc. The parsimonious interpretation of this phenomenon is that people already predisposed to religious interpretations of events apply that interpretation to these profound and rarely-encountered mental and emotional conditions.

You've attempted to resolve this problem by saying that everyone's religion is valid and all models of heaven actually exist. Sadly you can't seem to reconcile this with atheism, nor can you describe how subjective belief results in physical reality. As such your explanation is not very parsimonious. It leaves too many questions you can't answer.

 

[JayUtah]

Some people are just out of luck. I feel lucky and I'll go to heaven.

In most religions heaven is merited. Now you're telling us the afterlife is a crap-shoot. Crooked televangelists at least profess a fairly standard Christian model of heaven. Since they believe in it, does that mean they go there instead of receiving just punishment for their graft? Conversely, and contrary to many non-atheists' belief, there are countless atheists who are conscientious and kind. Are they damned to oblivion solely because they don't subscribe to some popular superstition? Your model lacks the component of judgment. Even the heart-weighing metaphor in the Egyptian afterlife model is better than yours.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me whether you know all the people in the world who have had a near-death experience. I ask because you confidently stated that NDEs are nearly always positive. But if all you know about are the ones you read in the popular books, then you have a biased sample. And if you don't have a better sample yourself, at your disposal, then we have no reason to be confident in your personal assessment of the proportion of NDEs that are pleasant.

 

[Belz...]

Or, more accurately, people who are religious interpret the experience according to their religious vernacular. Christians see the Christian God, Muslims see Allah or Mohammed, etc. The parsimonious interpretation of this phenomenon is that people already predisposed to religious interpretations of events apply that interpretation to these profound and rarely-encountered mental and emotional conditions.

You've attempted to resolve this problem by saying that everyone's religion is valid and all models of heaven actually exist. Sadly you can't seem to reconcile this with atheism, nor can you describe how subjective belief results in physical reality. As such your explanation is not very parsimonious. It leaves too many questions you can't answer.

He's just glad that everything is perfect.