Near death experiences

Fudbucker said:
All claims are not equal, but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility of an afterlife because someone can't provide proof of it. We simply know too little about reality to make categorical claims about what happens after we die.
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Given the lack of evidence for any sort of afterlife, I would rather put my energy into making the time I *know* I have the best it can be. Because I believe the same of other people, I try to make their time the best it can be as well (although not always successfully, sigh).

If I am wrong, I don't see the effort as futile, as I and others have gotten a little extra out of this life. If I am right, it would be a complete and utter waste to ignore what we have, yearning for something better. Put that time and energy into at least trying to improve things, rather than simply hoping it will get better!
 
Fudbucker said:
All claims are not equal, but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility of an afterlife because someone can't provide proof of it.
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Why not? It's an extraordinary claim that violates the laws of physics and has ZERO evidence to support it.

Furthermore, you're making a mistake with your earlier examples. "I ate pizza yesterday" is an instance of something we know to be real. We don't know if the claim is true but we know it's possible and likely. "There's an afterlife" is more akin to "pizzas exist", and we have plenty of evidence for the latter.

We simply know too little about reality to make categorical claims about what happens after we die.
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Nonsense. We know enough to draw a conclusion.
 
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Argumemnon said:
Why not? It's an extraordinary claim that violates the laws of physics and has ZERO evidence to support it.

Furthermore, you're making a mistake with your earlier examples. "I ate pizza yesterday" is an instance of something we know to be real. We don't know if the claim is true but we know it's possible and likely. "There's an afterlife" is more akin to "pizzas exist", and we have plenty of evidence for the latter.



Nonsense. We know enough to draw a conclusion.
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We know enough that theres a afterlife.
 
slipknot0129 said:
We know enough that theres a afterlife.
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Doesn't this bore you?
It's been said before that these boards are easy to troll. Say something stupid without evidence and people will respond. Sometimes because people actually want to discuss their beliefs, sometimes because people want to educate others, and sometimes because people just like correcting others or want to practice their skeptic one liners.
But continuously pushing the same button and getting the same response is boring. That's 'rat in a Skinner box' level trolling.
 
slipknot0129 said:
We know enough that theres a afterlife.
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Welcome to the ISF (formerly the JREF)

Just so you know asserting your conclusion is not a very successful strategy, you need to provide your data and evidence so it may be evaluated. Personal opinions are something we all have and they vary widely.

Opinions are not evidence, so please present data and references to the evidence of an 'afterlife'.
 
slipknot0129 said:
Near death experiences.
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We've already asked you how you know that those are evidence for what you claim and you didn't give a satisfactory answer.

- We know that oxygen-deprived brains have hallucinations that have common features.
- We DON'T know that afterlives exist.

Since "afterlife" and "oxygen deprivation" are both explanations for NDEs, and the former assumes things beyond the laws of physics and the latter does not, NDEs are actually NOT evidence for life beyond death.

I'll remind you that at least half a dozen people pointed out that "near death" isn't death, and therefore that they don't even logically provide a hint of what happens after death.

All of this you've ignored. In other words, you have NO EVIDENCE for the afterlife.

Thanks for playing.
 
Argumemnon said:
We've already asked you how you know that those are evidence for what you claim and you didn't give a satisfactory answer.

- We know that oxygen-deprived brains have hallucinations that have common features.
- We DON'T know that afterlives exist.

Since "afterlife" and "oxygen deprivation" are both explanations for NDEs, and the former assumes things beyond the laws of physics and the latter does not, NDEs are actually NOT evidence for life beyond death.

I'll remind you that at least half a dozen people pointed out that "near death" isn't death, and therefore that they don't even logically provide a hint of what happens after death.

All of this you've ignored. In other words, you have NO EVIDENCE for the afterlife.

Thanks for playing.
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Near death experiences are evidence for afterlife. Full death will be even better.
 
slipknot0129 said:
Near death experiences are evidence for afterlife.
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Not so. The participants did not die.

Full death will be even better.
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You present no evidence for what conditions, if any, will be like after death.

You seem to be considering the conditions in near-death experiences as some sort of petite-morte. Your critics do not accept that premise without evidence and argument to establish it.
 
JayUtah said:
Not so. The participants did not die.



You present no evidence for what conditions, if any, will be like after death.

You seem to be considering the conditions in near-death experiences as some sort of petite-morte. Your critics do not accept that premise without evidence and argument to establish it.
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Yes near death experiences prove the afterlife exists.
 
JayUtah said:
No, they do not, for the reasons given. Do you intend to address those reasons, or are you simply going to repeat your conclusion bot-like until everyone gives up on you?
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It shows it's nothing but love on the other side.
 
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