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My terrifying experiences - skeptical perspective much appreciated

I too have experienced sleep paralysis. The most recent time, about a year ago, I perceived my wife was sitting on my chest and I could not breath, and I tried to scream to tell her to get off, but I could not make a sound. My experience is that I am fully awake but cannot move. As soon as I move the entire illusion disappears instantly. For me, it has ranged from pleasant to scary. No demons though.

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Hi barehl, thanks for that great breakdown. So you're saying your eyes can be completely open, moving and perceiving the room, but your body paralysed, AND on top of this you can 'dream' up the content and goings-on in the room you're percieving? Pretty much like an extremely vivid hallucination but you're paralysed and technically 'sleeping'? That would explain a lot, this is what many of my nightmares were like. I have noticed a correlation with stress, as the second onset of recurring dreams when I moved out of home occurred at a time I was under a lot of pressure.

Please do proceed with your counteracting advice, it is something I'm concerned about.

Absolutely.

It can be pretty terrifying. Look at the elaborate stories that "alien abductees" come up with. Surgery, probing in various orifices, etc. I'm almost entirely sure those are just super vivid episodes of sleep paralysis.
 
Hi Slowvehicle,

Not exactly, no, but if it had to be represented within the constraints of a dollars and cents format, within the price range I was buying goods (i.e. well under $100), it would have to be either '66.60' or '66.06'. I think that if there is an 'it' at play here, if there was literally '666' printed where the total should display, it would be far too blatant to manifest on a physical, material object like a receipt. Anyways ... :/

Satan is too weak to manifest his address on a mortal receipt not protected by a major grail or similar??? I don't think so.........
 
It sounds like demons to me.

Luckily, I don't believe in demons or the supernatural, so I'm immune.

I don't either, but my readings have included perfect ways to remove/send them back to hell IF one ever does show up - so unconcerned either way..

ON THE SAME BASIS I am good with vampires and werewolves. 16 gauge shells with blessed silver crosses, stars of David and crescents do right well.:D:D:D:D
 
The web is already full of accounts of people who have been lying in bed and had a demon crushing their chest. The same can be found for prices of retail goods (receipts) that contain three sixes.

I've seen pics of chest demons. They were either drawings or paintings, but I have seen them.....
 
I also want to address some of my 'critics' on here, namely William Parcher and SezMe,....

Take nothing personally, truthlover. Much of what comes across as personal attack here is not actually so but is rather bluntness.
Garrette is absolutely correct. On a skeptics forum, you should expect skeptical questions. It would naive on the part of readers to accept your story lock, stock and barrel.

Also, while you perceived me as a critic, I did make positive comments and urged you to consider getting some professional advice.

I stand by my post.
 
Dude, go see a doctor. We mere mortals aren't worth a demon's time and energy.
 
Hi all,

I would first of all like to express my sincere gratitude at the work skeptics do to debunk fraudsters, dubious beliefs and general misinformation in our world. I want to let you all know, before you read the following, that I consider myself a sane, intelligent person. I am also a natural-born empiricist, rationalist, and materialist. I love the 'real' material world, and the notion that the world we're born into is it, and all that we have is material. Nonetheless, I have had experiences I find it hard to rationalise in a solely materialistic world. I want nothing more than a skeptic to debunk all my experiences as total products of the mind (i.e. the physical brain), nonetheless I also want truthful insight, not biased by any held worldview.

I have had what I perceive to be experiences of pure evil, experiences which I can only interpret to be demonic or satanic. These have manifested in my 'dream states' as well as in real life.

It all started when I was around 19, approx. 4 years ago now. I took this 16 year old guy to bed (I am gay), we fooled around, and after finishing up and being very satisfied with the handsome young man I had landed myself, lay there peacefully in the post-sex bliss. I was facing him as I laid there. I was in no way under any stress nor did I feel any guilt, but pure satisfaction and relaxation. As I faced him, his eyes rolled up into his head, he started shaking, he then came over to my side of the bed, sat on my chest and started choking me, with those eye-rolled demonic eyes. I felt as though I was going to die, become possessed, or otherwise something purely horrible was about to occur. I kept saying 'No, no, no', but I felt like I couldn't speak loudly. Next thing, he was no longer on top of me, but back right next to me in the bed, still shaking, eyes rolled, and I continued to in my terrified voice say 'No, no, no!'. I "woke up", and every single thing about the room stayed the same, except his face, which now was a 'normal' face, but looked very concerned at me like I was crazy, I could do nothing but apologise and say 'sorry, I had a really bad nightmare'. The whole time I felt I was totally awake and aware, but paralysed. During and after this experience, I felt as though this guy was demonically influenced or otherwise cursed, and probably had something very evil happen to him. Furthermore I felt complicit in seducing this young fellow into a gay encounter, as though this made me complicit in this evil and hence why the evil was interested in me joining the 'force'. I later learnt that this guy did indeed have a very dark childhood, I won't go into detail.

About 2 years later, I began having extremely disturbing, extremely vivid 'nightmares', night after night. Often, my whole room would stay exactly the same as in real life, and I didn't feel like I was sleeping at all. I would often feel an extremely evil presence lurking behind the storage area door at the other side of my bedroom. These dreams would mock me, and in one I was paraded with figures in my life who by the very tone of the discordant music playing were clearly cursed and seemed to me were being shown as being complicit with the devil. Notably I got up, walked into the hall outside my room (again, it didn't feel like a dream, everything was as it should be), with my step mother curled up in a ball on the floor, wickedly laughing . In these dreams, I would often 'wake up' repeatedly in my room, only to find I was still in the nightmare. One night I finally "woke up" for real looking at my alarm clock ominously reading '3:33'. I remember one time being so horrendously terrified I got up out of bed, switched on every single light in the house, went downstairs to the lounge room, turned on the television loudly. For a number of nights in a row I didn't dare sleep in my room, only on the couch with the lights and tv on.

Around a year later, when I had moved out of home, I started having demonic nightmares again. I often knew when I was going to have a horrible nightmare night, as I would feel a sense of intense evil lurking in my apartment and the place would creak incessantly far beyond what one would normally expect with the natural expansion and contraction of things in a home. There would also often be a very distinct buzzing vibration noise, like when you have tinnitus of the ear, but it would come out of nowhere and be quite a distinct and loud vibration. I remember one night waking up from a nightmare, and I kid you not there were red pentagrams burned into my retina floating around the room for a good 4 or 5 seconds. They were so discernable, and there were there, in my eyes, in my waking hours..

I couldn't help but research these phenomena and their spiritual implications. After all, these experiences seemed to me almost deniably real. I can't explain to you how terrifyingly real they were. One notion that I liked the thought of was that Satan was some pagan God that Yahweh (the Abraham God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) had dethroned, scape-goated and that he now was really pissed off, and for whatever reason felt the need to come to communicate with me. At the time, a deity that represented strength, self-reliance, and male fecundity and sexual prowess (which my research indicated he was) seemed really appealing, so I gave worshipping him in my mind and verbally a go. It felt really good, as though I was being filled with power, ego and strength.

One occasion that completely astonished me was when I was particularly enamoured with his worship whilst grocery shopping, and when I went to the automated check-out to pay for my goods, I kid you not, the receipt printed out a total of $'66.06'.

I have since for the last year or so ceased to have such dreams, and thus I've defaulted back to the world-view I've long been most comfortable with - agnostic, secular materialism. Nonetheless it has been playing on my mind again as of late, these unresolved, experiences, and I want to know what to make of them. I feel as though something doesn't want me to post this post either.

What is everyone's opinion on all of this? Surely you can all see how improbable all this is by materialistic chance alone, and the real kicker for me was that receipt. What are the chances the one time I go grocery shopping with this mindset that I get the number of the beast on a physical receipt in the middle of the day??

Your thoughts and input would be much appreciated.

Thanks all,



Drugs.
 
Hi captain 'koolaid'. Thanks for your smart arse response. I have never habitually taken illegal drugs you dolt.

As for the rest of you, thanks heaps.
 
Hi captain 'koolaid'. Thanks for your smart arse response...


Well, you're welcome. But, I was being serious. You asked for opinions and based on how it all played out, drugs seem the likely culprit. There appears to be sleep paralysis related details, but, other factors indicate ongoing side effects of... something. Seriously, if it's not drugs, seek help.


...I have never habitually taken illegal drugs you dolt...


I understand. I'm afraid to say, I'm skeptical. I've heard this before, but, it usually turns out otherwise. It might be that the drugs didn't do all that much at all, exacerbated an already schizophrenic condition, or caused the end result in total. But they're often involved, at some stage and can have strange effects. You said habitually. People are different, they can produce different results. Some can take a lot and have minimal short or long term effects. Others can be affected strongly by minimal amounts... for quite some time afterwards. I don't know how much you took, or what you took (but, I have my suspicions), but it's worth considering. This is just an opinion, not a scientific study, but, I've had experience in these matters and seen enough examples to propose, again IMHO, that what you described appears to be drug related, to some degree.

In any event, I hope it's drug related. If not, you may have some serious problems.
 
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Thanks captain for following up with a non-glib and non-offensive response. It's not illicit drugs, captain. I have done drugs on two occasions in my life, both were experiences with marijuana.

I was on legal perscription medication dexamphetamine for many years, perhaps 15 years, I think I was still taking them when I had my very first recurring nightmares before I moved out? But I have not taken those for two years. In all seriousness, I wonder if there is a link with these medications and horrible dreams like this??
 
I'm also interested that people are linking suspectability to schizophrenia to these dreams. Is there any evidence that such horrible dreams precede onset? I think I'm out of the woods of so as I have not had these dreams for almost 1 year now, however thinkng back they still make me wonder (hence me posting about them now).
 
I have had what I perceive to be experiences of pure evil, experiences which I can only interpret to be demonic or satanic. These have manifested in my 'dream states' as well as in real life.

It all started when I was around 19, approx. 4 years ago now. I took this 16 year old guy to bed (I am gay), we fooled around, and after finishing up and being very satisfied with the handsome young man I had landed myself, lay there peacefully in the post-sex bliss. I was facing him as I laid there. I was in no way under any stress nor did I feel any guilt, but pure satisfaction and relaxation. As I faced him, his eyes rolled up into his head, he started shaking, he then came over to my side of the bed, sat on my chest and started choking me, with those eye-rolled demonic eyes. I felt as though I was going to die, become possessed, or otherwise something purely horrible was about to occur. I kept saying 'No, no, no', but I felt like I couldn't speak loudly. Next thing, he was no longer on top of me, but back right next to me in the bed, still shaking, eyes rolled, and I continued to in my terrified voice say 'No, no, no!'. I "woke up", and every single thing about the room stayed the same, except his face, which now was a 'normal' face, but looked very concerned at me like I was crazy, I could do nothing but apologise and say 'sorry, I had a really bad nightmare'. The whole time I felt I was totally awake and aware, but paralysed.

The highlighted part is concerning wrt age.

But, what you have described is classic sleep paralysis, as explained upthread. Have a look:

Sleep Paralysis: Demon in the Bedroom

I have divorcee parents. My father is nominal Presbyterian Protestant and my mother nominally Roman Catholic. Neither are practicing, however my mother does believe in God. I attended a Roman Catholic high school, however I was extremely skeptical of the whole affair the entire way through and never attended church voluntarily. I was an agnostic through my youth. Nonetheless my experiences I must admit are extremely compatible with Catholic theology surrounding homosexuality, demons, Satan and possession.

IANAD, but does your homosexuality cause you any guilt wrt the semi-religious environment you were raised in? Do your parents know you are gay?

I think you've answered your own question in the highlighted part.
 
I would first of all like to express my sincere gratitude at the work skeptics do to debunk fraudsters, dubious beliefs and general misinformation in our world. I want to let you all know, before you read the following, that I consider myself a sane, intelligent person. I am also a natural-born empiricist, rationalist, and materialist. I love the 'real' material world, and the notion that the world we're born into is it, and all that we have is material.

I feel that this is going to go downhill from there...

Nonetheless, I have had experiences I find it hard to rationalise in a solely materialistic world.

There we go.

I want nothing more than a skeptic to debunk all my experiences as total products of the mind (i.e. the physical brain), nonetheless I also want truthful insight, not biased by any held worldview.

An interesting way of wording it.

As I faced him, his eyes rolled up into his head, he started shaking, he then came over to my side of the bed, sat on my chest and started choking me, with those eye-rolled demonic eyes.

Here's your explanation: you believe in demons. Rolled eyes aren't demonic, and if you really were a materialist you wouldn't jump to the "possession" hypothesis right away.

The whole time I felt I was totally awake and aware, but paralysed.

Have you looked up sleep paralysis ?

About 2 years later, I began having extremely disturbing, extremely vivid 'nightmares', night after night.

Night terrors. I'm pretty "amazed" that you haven't managed to find this out for yourself, by now, especially given the tools available to you (tools that you are using to post here).

One notion that I liked the thought of was that Satan was some pagan God that Yahweh (the Abraham God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) had dethroned, scape-goated and that he now was really pissed off, and for whatever reason felt the need to come to communicate with me.

Of course, if you go for the crazy theory, everything's possible.
 
Hi Slowvehicle,

Not exactly, no, but if it had to be represented within the constraints of a dollars and cents format, within the price range I was buying goods (i.e. well under $100), it would have to be either '66.60' or '66.06'. I think that if there is an 'it' at play here, if there was literally '666' printed where the total should display, it would be far too blatant to manifest on a physical, material object like a receipt. Anyways ... :/

The number of the Beast would be 616, not 666.

What are the chances the one time I go grocery shopping with this mindset that I get the number of the beast on a physical receipt in the middle of the day??

Pretty good, actually.

One night I finally "woke up" for real looking at my alarm clock ominously reading '3:33'.

Mine often read 11:11 but how is that ominious or anything ? It's a time.

what I ultimately WANT to know is the truth

Your posts read as if you're looking for a very specific and predetermined truth, what with all the demons and such.
 
Hi captain 'koolaid'. Thanks for your smart arse response. I have never habitually taken illegal drugs you dolt.

As for the rest of you, thanks heaps.

A piece of advice: the Membership Agreement you accepted when registering here started with "be civil and polite". Calling someone a dolt is neither, and you risk being infracted or, if you persist, worse.
 
Hi Beiz,

In all seriousness, what would the probability be. I'm curious.

I have a predetermined nothing, merely experience, evidence and different rationales to contend with when making sense of this.

To I2AX7: as stated earlier, age of consent here in NSW, Australia is 16 years old. From a secular perspective, I really don't see how an encounter with a sexually mature individual 3 years younger than myself is in any way 'concerning'.

No I don't feel guilty for my homosexuality. I was worried these experiences may mean I should be?? My parents do know.
 
I don't think the experiences [the hypnagogic/hypnopompic hallucinations and night terrors] mean you should feel guilty about being gay, given the naturalistic explanations for the experiences. However, I do suspect that your partially catholic upbringing has left you with some guilt - possibly unconsciously - and I hope you can get past that.

Whilst it is true that some sufferers of schizophrenia have these experiences, so do people suffering stress or PTSD, as well as people with no apparent problems. It's always worth mentioning anything that bothers you to your doctor, but having these experiences does not necessarily mean that you are suffering from a mental illness.
 

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