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My Struggle

Re: Re: Re: Counterpoint to Your Good Point

Gulliver said:
Thanks. Please point me in the right direction. I truly enjoy helping.
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Well, offhand he seems to be doing fine, but you might want to keep an eye on this thread: ACHAU NGUYEN, Hawaiian Psychic.

[Edit:] So far, this applicant seems fairly promising. I doubt he can do what he thinks he can, but he doesn't seem to mind the experimental controls he'll have to work under. (Of course, that always makes me a little suspicious something got missed, but such is life.)
 
jmercer said:
This is a misleading statement. You have not done a Double Blind Trial yet, based on your description of what you did.
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My apologies, I was kind of hung up on the "self-administered" language. I knew something about what I was trying to express didn't sound right. I should have said self-administered SBT.
 
Not that it's particularly relevant anymore, but "a single trial does not a test make."
 
Re: In Conclusion

KRAMER said:
The conclusion of this sordid affair has been detailed in Mr. Anda's Challenge Application thread, linked below:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870895438#post1870895438

Responses offered herein to Mr. Anda have been proven fruitless, as would any further responses to his pointless diatribes.

The JREF urges a speedy conclusion to this debate (which the ex-applicant seems bent upon crusading toward unto infinity), and suggests to all forum members that any further responses offered to him will be counterproductive and damaging to all who chose to partake in it.

In the spirit of this decision, I'd like to state conclusively and with unflinching confidence that veggie chili can be just as mouth watering as chili made with the ground up carcasses of dead animals.
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I think some people here are enjoying the horse chili though.


(Did I not just say I was going to stay out of these?)
 
Re: Nevermind...

Gulliver said:
JREF has appropriately banned Wellfed. I accordingly withdraw my support of him as well.

To Wellfed,
You really should have accepted my offer and stopped your attacks. I have no respect for your opinions at this point.

Deep regrets,
Gulliver
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This whole business has been quite regrettable. Thank you again for your gracious and sincere offer.
 
Re: Re: In Conclusion

LostAngeles said:
I think some people here are enjoying the horse chili though.


(Did I not just say I was going to stay out of these?)
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How about Moose Chili? We could name it "Bullwinkles 5 Alarm Chili" or something... :D
 
I am calling for a JREF Chili Cook-off Challenge. It's the only reasonable thing to do. I'm willing to assist with DBT's - except for moose chili. I'm not eating Bullwinkle.
 
Moose said:
Not that it's particularly relevant anymore, but "a single trial does not a test make."
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I knew that. I plan on stringing these single trial tests together to establish a valid conclusion at some point.
 
You can do a thousand of them, but unless they're done double-blind with credible, objective observers running them, they're meaningless.
 
jmercer said:
You can do a thousand of them, but unless they're done double-blind with credible, objective observers running them, they're meaningless.
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So the ado, all this time, about me doing my own self-test has been about nothing? And the people around here think I have squirrells running my motor?
 
Wellfed said:
So the ado, all this time, about me doing my own self-test has been about nothing? And the people around here think I have squirrells running my motor?
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No, and after so many pages of people (myself included) explaining this fact to you, and why proper blinding is so important for a scientifically valid test, if you still don't get it, it simply isn't worth our time of going over yet again.

It's all there in those thirty-odd pages. If you're not willing to dig in there, I can only suggest asking a science teacher you haven't yet managed to antagonize.
 
Self Tests...

Wellfed said:
So the ado, all this time, about me doing my own self-test has been about nothing? And the people around here think I have squirrells running my motor?
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Wellfed,
The point is that there is a limit to what an objective skeptic would consider meaningful. We're all glad that you took the time to do a single trial in your self-test. If you had failed in that trial, you would have learned a lot. But a single trial in a self-test coming up positive for the GSIC effect is a 50% probability--even if we assume that the trial was double blind and without fraud.

If you had ran ten, and preferably many more, trials, and every single one was positive for effect or negative for control, then you'd have some rights to say that you've convinced yourself, but not others.

Only a DBT, properly observed, can convince a skeptic. For example, your successful completion of the Gulliver Offer would have convinced me and anyone who believed the protocol and me to be credible.

I remain glad to educate.

Sincerely,
Gulliver T. Bullwinkle
 
T or not to T

Squidd said:
Why "T," anyway?

Everybody knows the official cartoon-character initial is "J."
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Homage to Star Trek, the Cartoon. James T. Kirk. Tiberius after the great Roman. Thanks for the chuckle!
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Regarding the Harping on the 12 Rules

Wellfed said:
Perhaps they were concerned that a legitimate claim had a chance of being successful. Why else would JREF choose to lie and deceive? Have they lied in the past with other claims?
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Perhaps they actually like having $1 million tied up uselessly, where no one can get at it, even Randi. Maybe Randi is so rich that he doesn't miss the $1 million; maybe Kramer is so stupid that he doesn't resent being paid whatever (I'm guessing $30k or so) to make sure that $1 million stays locked up, benefiting no one.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Regarding the Harping on the 12 Rules

Beady said:
Perhaps they actually like having $1 million tied up uselessly, where no one can get at it, even Randi. Maybe Randi is so rich that he doesn't miss the $1 million; maybe Kramer is so stupid that he doesn't resent being paid whatever (I'm guessing $30k or so) to make sure that $1 million stays locked up, benefiting no one.
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Maybe, but the question remains; why lie?

If the GSIC can't possibly do what it claims; why lie? Why does the Challenge facilitator feel the need to fabricate lies to make an applicant look more woo-woo than they already appear?

Really, why lie? Kramer is the only person that knows the true answer to this question.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Regarding the Harping on the 12 Rules

Beady said:
Perhaps they actually like having $1 million tied up uselessly, where no one can get at it, even Randi. Maybe Randi is so rich that he doesn't miss the $1 million; maybe Kramer is so stupid that he doesn't resent being paid whatever (I'm guessing $30k or so) to make sure that $1 million stays locked up, benefiting no one.
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My understanding was that Kramer doesn't get paid for his JREF work.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Regarding the Harping on the 12 Rules

Ashles said:
My understanding was that Kramer doesn't get paid for his JREF work.
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I believe he said he does, but that it's a nominal amount. Not that it matters. I work in a Credit Union, and we have people who handle millions every day that make less than 30k a year.
 
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