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My First Ever Banning

I don't believe there is a fear of honest debate.

I do think there is a concern about hidden agendas and disingenuous behavior.

MM

Of course you're entitled to your opinion but I disagree that there isn't a fear of honest debate.

Architect was doing JUST that. In fact, he was bending over backwards to be polite and civil. He was questioning a number of "facts" and asking for evidence and clarification. How could that be considered disingenous or having a hidden agenda when he was clear where he was coming from?
 
Architect was ban cause he was here to do nothing but distract and disrupt. From his first post you could tell he was here just to troll.

Exactly the sort of semi-literate response one would expect.

It helps LCF that the rules are so poorly defined that anything could be used as justification for banning.
 
How do u know it was 3 years? I take it that you got some sort of notification?
 
Well that is probably the excuse (as I hesitate to characterize it as "reason") for my own banning there. Oddly though, at the time I was involved in illustrating Killtown's no-plane-at-Shankesville conjectures to be rather stupid.

Hey, me too!
 
Ahh big Al Salm!

Reading your posts there, Architect, i really do not see why you were banned other than the fact that you had a different point of view. You were almost too appeasing. Weird.

Nothing weird about it. That's the behavior we expect from people who would have to move a considerable distance to the left to qualify as Nazis.
 
I don't believe there is a fear of honest debate.

I do think there is a concern about hidden agendas and disingenuous behavior.

MM
You mean, nobody's allowed to come on that board with any intention to put a contrary point of view? It seems to me that any pre-formed opinion that the Twin Towers came down exactly as everybody (but a few goof-balls) thinks they did is construed as a "hidden agenda", and any attempt to post in such a way as to put over the arguments for this opinion is "disingenuous behaviour".

The entire board sounds like nothing more than a mutual admiration society with a closed membership list.

Rolfe.
 
As a matter of fact, CTs that follow the forum rules are more than welcome here, and folks on either side of the issue are suspended or banned accordingly. Being anti-conspiracy does not gain special favors here... just ask Troy.

I think the only problem here is that members are far more likely to report a violation against someone that they disagree with, and look the other way if it's a comrade-in-arms. The forum mods/admins can only act on what they know about.
 
Isn't that why we're getting the special "extra" scrutiny from the mods at the moment?
 
IMO LC, and perhaps even the entire truth movement, will NEVER gain any sort of respect as long as they continue to stifle dissent.

We don't always treat truthers with the utmost respect here, but they have to work extra extra hard to get banned; they are never banned simply for holding a contrary opinion.
 
IMO LC, and perhaps even the entire truth movement, will NEVER gain any sort of respect as long as they continue to stifle dissent.

We don't always treat truthers with the utmost respect here, but they have to work extra extra hard to get banned; they are never banned simply for holding a contrary opinion.

This cartoon represents a typical sequence of events:

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I don't believe there is a fear of honest debate.

I do think there is a concern about hidden agendas and disingenuous behavior.

If you don't mind, I'd like to hear you give an example of a "hidden agenda" or "disingenuous behavior" that would warrant such treatment. I'll be highly surprised if you can come up with one that seems reasonable for Architect, and absolutely shocked if it's not mere speculation, but actually supported by evidence.
 
There is no 'backlash'. There is nothing to lash back at.

Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion..and that's all it is.

Sure, there are many posters here who are very agressive. And this is a skeptics forum... if you come here with extraordinary claims you will be asked to back them up. Considering how many times the same old long debunked canards keep surfacing, it's not surprising that regulars here have little patience.

What may be 'old hat' for you is new stuff for first timers. If you want to wear the hat of a professional skeptic, then you have to have the patience necessary to cover old ground.

I'm sure doctors grow weary of people with the same health conditions but that doesn't mean they switch to a nasty bedside manner.

Skeptics have been banned for asking questions at LCF long before 'truthers' starting posting here. There has never been a purge of conspiracy theorists here, as there have been skeptic purges at LCF. As a matter of fact, CTs that follow the forum rules are more than welcome here, and folks on either side of the issue are suspended or banned accordingly. Being anti-conspiracy does not gain special favors here... just ask Troy.

What is your point. JREF is far more than just the Conspiracy Forum. It's a much larger and more professional entity than the largely amateur volunteer driven LC Forum. I'm sure there are many here who would support banning if JREF and the moderators would sanction it.


Who?

oh...

So you don't know what was said or who it was said to. Got it.

I suggest you talk to architect not me. I have no intention of fighting other people's battles.

Exactly. Civility is not important on LCF (roxdog is proof of that). As long as you 'follow the leader' there, you're okay. If you ask the wrong questions, or attempt to discuss anything that may poke a hole in the CT fantasy, you are banned.

The differences between LCF and this forums are many. Your own welcome presence here is proof of that.

Welcome..smile..that's kinda funny. Let's say at best, I'm tolerated.

Lets not forget your side is defending a Conspiracy Theory. The only difference is it's the Official Conspiracy Theory and derives all the benefits of being on side with all the money and power. My side, which believes in an Alternative Conspiracy Theory is the under dog and suffers all the disadvantages that come with that status.

MM
 
Lets not forget your side is defending a Conspiracy Theory. The only difference is it's the Official Conspiracy Theory and derives all the benefits of being on side with all the money and power. My side, which believes in an Alternative Conspiracy Theory is the under dog and suffers all the disadvantages that come with that status.

MM

With all due respect to the truth movement, to us we are on the side with the evidence and logic.

I don't seem to have been on the receiving end of any of the money and power that you attribute to our 'theory'.
 
Lets not forget your side is defending a Conspiracy Theory. The only difference is it's the Official Conspiracy Theory and derives all the benefits of being on side with all the money and power. My side, which believes in an Alternative Conspiracy Theory is the under dog and suffers all the disadvantages that come with that status.

MM

When we say "Conspiracy Theory", we are referring to the most commonly used definition of the term, which is belief in a conspiracy that is based more on paranoia and distrust than on evidence and/or reasoning.

No one here puts their trust in an "Official Story", but in a sequence of events that has been very well documented and thoroughly studied. That sequence of events happens to match the government's version very closely. We do not accept it just because "the gubmint says so", nor do we summarily reject it for the same reason.
 
If you don't mind, I'd like to hear you give an example of a "hidden agenda" or "disingenuous behavior" that would warrant such treatment. I'll be highly surprised if you can come up with one that seems reasonable for Architect, and absolutely shocked if it's not mere speculation, but actually supported by evidence.

I think they may define "hidden agenda" like this. It's OK to come and ask questions with an open mind as long as you're ultimately willing to buy into their "inside job" story.

BUT, when you switch from asking questions to questioning their beliefs, then you had a hidden agenda.
 
With all due respect to the truth movement, to us we are on the side with the evidence and logic.

I don't seem to have been on the receiving end of any of the money and power that you attribute to our 'theory'.

That's way more respect than they're due.
 
Lets not forget your side is defending a Conspiracy Theory. The only difference is it's the Official Conspiracy Theory and derives all the benefits of being on side with all the money and power. My side, which believes in an Alternative Conspiracy Theory is the under dog and suffers all the disadvantages that come with that status.

With respect, one of the reasons that LCF et al are the underdogs (if you will) is that there is no cogent theory; it is fairly obvious, even on the LCF site, that the death beams and the no-planes theories are no longer considered plausible but some of the other leading lights of the movement do continue to endorse them. Even though they're obviously bunkum.

The second main issue is a failure to present evidence in a manner which most people would consider plausable or rigirous. Let me give you a simple example, and one which I don't think you would disagree with.

The susceptibility of iron and then steel structures to even normal fires has been recognised since the mid 19th century. Since the WWII we have seen many studies across the world testing the fire resistance of steel assemblies and developing fire protection systems. It is an issue covered in depth in the building regulations since long before I was born.

Yet a constant argument we see is that steel cannot be damaged by normal fires; that heat is wicked away too fast; that it doesn't in fact weaken at quite modest temperatures.

Now it's fairly obvious to the man in the street and the professionals that this fire hypothesis is rubbish. But the Truth movement keep marketing it as damning evidence, stopping only to refine the definition - "high rise steel building" is the current cathcphrase. And when the argument is rebuffed, they don't go out and get detailed reports which show that steel is impervious - they simply shout the original points, but much more loudly!

You will see that I made a similar point on LCF regarding the damage in the basements. Okay, damage occurred and LCF think it is indcative of a bomb. But what kind of damage? Where is it? Are there other plausible interpretations based upon the evidence? How were the lift shafts constructed and is the movement of the fuel possible? And so on. There is little attempt to interrogate the theory, and hence ensure it is robust, before it is presented as another damning coup.

[sigh]
 
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