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My First Ever Banning

My 2 peneth for what its worth, whenever you frequent a forum with an opposing opinion to general concesus you are likely to be viewed by the admins a little more "strictly" than those who run with the staus quo.
I myself on this forum have been the subject of numerous post deletions with the reason cited as 'civility violation' whereas those who have called me names and called me a liar etc have not received the same treatment.
This is also true at the LC forum, I don't think that Architect deserved to be banned but I don't have the evidence of his "trolling" that IVXX seems to have to justify the ban.
Having a completely impartial admin is probably impossible when dealing with this subject matter, so while these bans may not be right they are inevitable, its human nature.
 
Architect said:
I've said before, and I'll doubtless say it again, we display some aspects of the same affliction on occassion; we may not use the same abusive language, but we gang up and generally poke fun at them. I don't think that it reflects well upon us.
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I agree with this. I cringe when a new poster shows up and is immediately accused of being a sock, or of hiding his truther beliefs in his early posts. Witness what has recently happened with coughymachine, who asked a simple question and was pounced on because it reminded some people here of how truthers have acted in the past.
 
CurtC said:
I agree with this. I cringe when a new poster shows up and is immediately accused of being a sock, or of hiding his truther beliefs in his early posts. Witness what has recently happened with coughymachine, who asked a simple question and was pounced on because it reminded some people here of how truthers have acted in the past.
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I too cringe at this from members here. It is way too close to what happens to us at the other sites.

As Architect says, the civility level is much higher at other forums, most notably at BAUT (you are correct sir, I came here from there), and adoption of level in between that and what we see here would be in order , IMHO.

I am pleased with the posts in this thread by jackchit in regards to his civility and engagement in the topic at hand.
 
IVXX states:
Architect was ban cause he was here to do nothing but distract and disrupt. From his first post you could tell he was here just to troll
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Well that is probably the excuse (as I hesitate to characterize it as "reason") for my own banning there. Oddly though, at the time I was involved in illustrating Killtown's no-plane-at-Shankesville conjectures to be rather stupid. The irony is that lately it seems that no-plane theories are no all that acceptable at LCF. It would be difficult to label me a troll for making arguements similar to those of some CT's in good standing at LCF.

I believe (its been a while now) that I did make some references to my assessment of Killtown's intelligence but there are the very same type of references made by others still in good standing. Frankly I never make any post with the vitriol in some of IVXX's posts themselves.
 
The vitriol there suprised me, I must admit; I know of few (if any) forums stirving for credibility which would allow the language and downright nasty attacks which characterise some of the posters at LCF, notably the ever-delightful RoxDog and chums.
 
Architect said:
Amusingly, if you look at the second last post here, Roxdog seems to think that my LCF avatar is actually me. :D

It's so nice to find that the CT movement is so well versed in current affairs and politics beyond the bounds of the USA.
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Ahh big Al Salm!

Reading your posts there, Architect, i really do not see why you were banned other than the fact that you had a different point of view. You were almost too appeasing. Weird.
 
Hyperviolet said:
Ahh big Al Salm!

Reading your posts there, Architect, i really do not see why you were banned other than the fact that you had a different point of view. You were almost too appeasing. Weird.
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Actually, what the LC mod said about Architect was true. He "distracted" them from their fantasy world by telling them the truth, and he "disrupted" Avery's little flock by encouraging them to think for themselves. Can't have that now, can we?
 
Hyperviolet said:
Ahh big Al Salm!
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I'll come clean. It's a fair cop. LCF rumbled me.

I am actually Alex Salmond, aka Supreme Ruler of all Scotland.

When the NWO said that world leaders had to become personally involved in the forthcoming campaign, I took them seriously. Bet you never realised that "Gravy" was wee Sturgie. The only giveaway was the Partick Thistle link.

I have good reason to believe that 28th Kingdom is actually Dr. Reid.

:boxedin:
 
Architect said:
I'll come clean. It's a fair cop. LCF rumbled me.

I am actually Alex Salmond, aka Supreme Ruler of all Scotland.

When the NWO said that world leaders had to become personally involved in the forthcoming campaign, I took them seriously. Bet you never realised that "Gravy" was wee Sturgie. The only giveaway was the Partick Thistle link.

I have good reason to believe that 28th Kingdom is actually Dr. Reid.

:boxedin:
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:boxedin:

i say nothing
 
It's remarkable how similar all this is to the repeated bannings of sceptics on the homoeopathy boards. One board allowed a "sceptics" forum, moderated by MRC Hans, who was civility itself, but even they had a sudden purge and all were gone. I lost count of how many times I was banned, it was five or six I think. Under several identities.

We haven't been there for a while, maybe it's time to start the dialogue going again. Could be instructive.

Regarding badges, the scheme regarding the homoeopathy "trolling" brigade is that anyone banned from a homoeopathy board may, if they with, ask Darat for the forum designation "Anti-homeopathy illuminati member". You could consider a similar designation for the anti-CT brigade, I suppose.

Rolfe.
 
Some people have nothing to fear but honest debate, which does nothing but expose shoddy thinking and force everyone to think much more closely about what they say and do. Too many beliefs and opinions are founded on but the most cursory analysis of fact or evidence, and I hasten to add that this isn't restricted to the CT movement. Homeopathy. Astrology. Scientology!

It's quite amusing to watch the wilder planning objectors get caught this way at public inquiries when, of course, they have to answer.

I remember a senior lecturer in sociology or somesuch at a leading Scottish university happily calling Ove Arup "liars" in both the press and in his evidence, until their structural analysis landed on the table with a thump and the lawyer began "let's start at page 1, shall we? Perhaps you could tell me where the lies are there...". The guy made it to page 12 before he retracted his entire evidence.

As for titles and so on, Oliver used to make cracking badges for those who got ignored by 28th Kingdom and his ilk. I had one in Welsh. I believe it was the weather forecast in Tredegar, reflecting a series of what he clearly felt were deeply annoying posts in that fair language (courtesy of S4C).

;)
 
jackchit said:
My 2 peneth for what its worth, whenever you frequent a forum with an opposing opinion to general concesus you are likely to be viewed by the admins a little more "strictly" than those who run with the staus quo.
I myself on this forum have been the subject of numerous post deletions with the reason cited as 'civility violation' whereas those who have called me names and called me a liar etc have not received the same treatment.
This is also true at the LC forum, I don't think that Architect deserved to be banned but I don't have the evidence of his "trolling" that IVXX seems to have to justify the ban.
Having a completely impartial admin is probably impossible when dealing with this subject matter, so while these bans may not be right they are inevitable, its human nature.
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Jack - I think that several of the posts that you believe were deleted have actually been split off and moved to the "Abandon all Hope" and / or "Flame War" forums. I'm not sure if that accounts for all of them, but I don't want you to mistakenly think poorly of the Mod Team here, who in my experience have been extremely even-handed and transparent in their actions. I usually get a PM or some other form of notification when one of my posts is moved, with an explaination.
 
Considering the abuse that's been wielded in the past here against members of LC in the JREF Conspiracy Forum, backlash is to be expected.

I'm not sure what the grievance against architect was but from at least one member's response (I don't recall the name), he was rather abusive to that member here.

My only issue with him was his failure to address the subject and tendency to steer with questions rather than give thoughtful responses.

Unquestionably he was polite but sometimes politeness is not the issue.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Considering the abuse that's been wielded in the past here against members of LC in the JREF Conspiracy Forum, backlash is to be expected.

I'm not sure what the grievance against architect was but from at least one member's response (I don't recall the name), he was rather abusive to that member here.
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Are you suggesting that it's acceptable for LCF to ban people based on posts they've made at JREF?

Dave
 
Miragememories said:
Considering the abuse that's been wielded in the past here against members of LC in the JREF Conspiracy Forum, backlash is to be expected.

I'm not sure what the grievance against architect was but from at least one member's response (I don't recall the name), he was rather abusive to that member here.

My only issue with him was his failure to address the subject and tendency to steer with questions rather than give thoughtful responses.

Unquestionably he was polite but sometimes politeness is not the issue.

MM
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Not a single rule was broken, not a single insult hurled. No point put to me was evaded - quite the opposite, as I asked for further information and links on several occassions. Although some posters were willing to debate, the majority stopped only to utter insults and be rude.

On this basis I think you would really be struggling to find a valid reason for the expulsion which, you will recall, came without so much as a warning or an e-mail telling me what had been done.

Why are LCF afraid of honest debate, MM?
 
Miragememories said:
Considering the abuse that's been wielded in the past here against members of LC in the JREF Conspiracy Forum, backlash is to be expected.
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There is no 'backlash'. There is nothing to lash back at.

Sure, there are many posters here who are very agressive. And this is a skeptics forum... if you come here with extraordinary claims you will be asked to back them up. Considering how many times the same old long debunked canards keep surfacing, it's not surprising that regulars here have little patience.

Skeptics have been banned for asking questions at LCF long before 'truthers' starting posting here. There has never been a purge of conspiracy theorists here, as there have been skeptic purges at LCF. As a matter of fact, CTs that follow the forum rules are more than welcome here, and folks on either side of the issue are suspended or banned accordingly. Being anti-conspiracy does not gain special favors here... just ask Troy.

I'm not sure what the grievance against architect was but from at least one member's response
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Who?

(I don't recall the name),
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oh...

he was rather abusive to that member here.
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So you don't know what was said or who it was said to. Got it.

My only issue with him was his failure to address the subject and tendency to steer with questions rather than give thoughtful responses.

Unquestionably he was polite but sometimes politeness is not the issue.
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Exactly. Civility is not important on LCF (roxdog is proof of that). As long as you 'follow the leader' there, you're okay. If you ask the wrong questions, or attempt to discuss anything that may poke a hole in the CT fantasy, you are banned.

The differences between LCF and this forums are many. Your own welcome presence here is proof of that.
 
Architect said:
Not a single rule was broken, not a single insult hurled. No point put to me was evaded - quite the opposite, as I asked for further information and links on several occassions. Although some posters were willing to debate, the majority stopped only to utter insults and be rude.

On this basis I think you would really be struggling to find a valid reason for the expulsion which, you will recall, came without so much as a warning or an e-mail telling me what had been done.

Why are LCF afraid of honest debate, MM?
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I don't believe there is a fear of honest debate.

I do think there is a concern about hidden agendas and disingenuous behavior.

MM
 
Really? Then why no warnings? Why no guidance on acceptable conduct? Why none of the modding we see on other boards such as urban75 or BAUT?
 
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