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My Crazy Idea for How the Mind can Arise from the Brain (The Brain Buffer Conjecture)

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Most explanations I have read regarding the feeling of the mind existing outside the body have not been completely satisfactory to me. I wanted to seek an explanation that is not only consistent with how we "feel" about our consciousness, but is still compatible with a scientific attitude. So, here I present my own crazy idea on the subject:

I call it The Brain Buffer Conjecture.

I do NOT have an empirical manner in which to discover this "Brain Buffer". That is why this idea is a conjecture, or (at worst) a philosophy, and NOT science. But, stick with me, here, if you wish to know the depths of my hideous imagination!

I speculate that there might exist a Buffer, of some sort, between the matter that makes up the mind, from the matter of the rest of the world around it. It is all technically made from the same kind of material (neurons, particles, etc.). But, there could be varying degrees of influence they have over each other. And, THAT could ultimately be where our sensation of self-presence might come from.

The nature of the Buffer, itself, could be thought of as a "space between" two completely material parts. It might not literally take that form. But, it is still useful to think of it in this way, at least for now.

When the Buffer is wider or stronger, there is less casual influence between the "inner-feeling" matter, i.e. "the mind", and "outer" matter in the rest of the world around it (including most of your own body). You will "feel more conscious" during these stronger times.

When the Buffer is thinner, there is more casual influence between the matter of both these things. You will then be less conscious. Such might be the hypnagogic sensation (right before one falls asleep) and hypnopompic sensation (right before one is fully awake from sleep).

When it is gone, at least for some time period, we have lost consciousness. But, the Buffer can re-emerge and reconstruct itself, when we regain it. Since our memories are largely "stored" (to use the term loosely) in the brain, it feels like nothing was lost along the way.

The Buffer might not exist in a single location in the brain. It could even do a sort-of Tarzan-like-thing: Swinging from neuron cluster to neuron cluster, or whatever. And, it might only be able to hold itself in fleeting moments along the way. If so, my conjecture would predict that the constant persistence of our consciousness is only an illusion - Like the illusion of fluid animation from individual frames of film.

Furthermore, this idea opens up the opportunity for consciousness to evolve through a process of natural selection! Once even a miniscule level of this Buffer is established, it can grow to larger sustainable strengths over subsequent generations.

One survival advantage of the Brain Buffer could be its use as a cheap shortcut to developing innovative solutions to novel problems:
The concept implies that a certain amount of "chaos" could come about from the less-casual association one part of the brain would momentarily have, from the rest of the brain. A lot of fresh ideas can stem from that: some good, some bad. Other processes can then sort them out, including more sessions in the "chaos". Think of it like a "brainstorming meeting" entirely inside your own brain. This could be faster and cheaper than thinking up new ideas through entirely conventional neural processing.

If one part of the brain can act some-what independently of the other parts, it might even explain the sensation of "Free Will". During moments of "Strong Buffer Building", perhaps we really can make "free choices", or at least something close to them, that cannot be entirely predicted through a purely deterministic take on the Universe. (Note that quantum uncertainty is NOT required for this, but the idea does not completely rule it out as a possible factor.)

Now, This idea might be completely wrong. It might even be completely silly. But, as a framework, I hope it grants us an opportunity to think more about how consciousness could emerge from the brain, in a matter that:
  • Is entirely consistent with materials known to science (no "spirit" or "vital force" required)
  • Does not invoke the problematic Cartesian Theater concept
  • Provides an evolutionary pathway for itself
  • And, does not delve into the completely irreducible! It is, at least in principle, an empirically investigable notion.
  • But, still presents ideas that are consistent with how we feel about our identities. (or at least how we think we feel about them)

At the very least, I hope this demonstrates that it is possible for someone to imagine how such an emergence could be possible, even when most others would give up without even trying too hard. Though, the actual science will have to wait for another day.

Your thoughts?
 
I am having trouble understanding this. You start by promising to explain how the mind arises from the brain, but all of your discussion is about a buffer between the mind and the rest of the world. So where -- I mean literally, where? -- is the mind in all of this?
 
I think you might have a better philosophical theory if you did not dwell into "matter" but jsut saw a buffer within the brain without associating with a particular clump of it.

I had some idea similarly in the past but with "compzuter" meaning of buffering : a place in RAM used as temporary place for I/O. If you read something ebfore being accessible it is read from the device there , then the calling process get a copy of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_buffer

My idea was that NDE were simply the data buffer of the brain being empty at partial return to consciousness, and the "empty" being fed up mis interpreted, followed by the quick nfollowing of the buffer by sensory data , but the initial misinterpretation persisting for a few moment before a full return, long enough to be commited in memory and the brain/consciousness misinterpreting it for a long experiene before hand.

In other word , NDE being simply a case of bad I/O.
 
Thanks for posting this... I'm going to take a bit to digest it before asking questions and/or attacking it.
 
I doubt any really thorough description of the mechanism of consciousness can be crammed in a short web post, save at the most basic level.
 
You start by promising to explain how the mind arises from the brain, but all of your discussion is about a buffer between the mind and the rest of the world. So where -- I mean literally, where? -- is the mind in all of this?

Perhaps an oversimplified analogy might help:

Picture the brain with a bubble of air in the middle of it. Now picture a clump of brain matter floating inside that bubble. The floating clump would be where the mind is. The bubble of air would be my Buffer.

(Note that the Buffer is probably NOT literally a bubble of air. But, for explanitory purposes, it might be useful to think of it that way.)

See, it FEELS like our mind exists outside the body, because in this manner it kinda-sorta is. There is barely any casual influence between the floating clump and the rest of the body, while the bubble or Buffer exists.
 
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Most explanations I have read regarding the feeling of the mind existing outside the body have not been completely satisfactory to me. I wanted to seek an explanation that is not only consistent with how we "feel" about our consciousness, but is still compatible with a scientific attitude. So, here I present my own crazy idea on the subject:

I call it The Brain Buffer Conjecture.
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Your thoughts?


Its been a while, so I'll have to dig, but there are several concepts along these lines, the most complete and indepth accounting I have heard relates to the short-term memory system. The impression of consciousness arises from the sorting and categorization of sensory experiences in near, but not actual, realtime.
 
The impression of consciousness arises from the sorting and categorization of sensory experiences in near, but not actual, realtime.
I wonder how that would create the sensation of the mind being separate from the body. Would the sorting and categorization be somewhat autonamous from the rest of brain processing, perhaps?
 
I wonder how that would create the sensation of the mind being separate from the body. Would the sorting and categorization be somewhat autonamous from the rest of brain processing, perhaps?

good question. Let me refamiliarize myself witht he general works and we'll see if they have anything to say about it.
 
I think you might have a better philosophical theory if you did not dwell into "matter" but jsut saw a buffer within the brain without associating with a particular clump of it.
I think we're using the word "buffer" in a different way. My buffer is not a temporary place for "RAM", but a spacer of-sorts between parts.

I also wanted to emphasize that this was ultimately a materialistic idea. Whatever the mind is, it is made up of some form of material.

But, my "theory" does not even have to associate with an particular clump. As I stated: It could move around the brain swinging from one clump to another.

Though, I could be wrong about that. If TShaitanaku's idea works out, maybe we can isolate the mind taking place in a specific spot, where short term memory is processed.

In other word , NDE being simply a case of bad I/O.
That analogy might be oversimplifying it.

In Shermer's latest book, The Believing Brain, he goes over some of the specifics of what happens. There are parts of the brain responsible for "paternicity" and "agenticity" that go a bit haywire in the mind, during NDE.

Yes, it's sorta like bad I/O, but we already know more details than that.
 
Its been a while, so I'll have to dig, but there are several concepts along these lines, the most complete and indepth accounting I have heard relates to the short-term memory system. The impression of consciousness arises from the sorting and categorization of sensory experiences in near, but not actual, realtime.

That would make sensory experience a necessary condition for consciousness.
 
That would make sensory experience a necessary condition for consciousness.

once the mechanism is evolved (genetics) it may exist in some form absent input, but even if it exists in isolation, without the programming (the experience of processing inputs) I'm not sure we could identify its presence.
 
...Though, I could be wrong about that. If TShaitanaku's idea works out, maybe we can isolate the mind taking place in a specific spot, where short term memory is processed...

I don't know if this is consciousness or mind, but it may be what most of us experience as consciousness/mind (that mini-me controller that sits in our heads), and that experience may be fully illusory. With actual consciousness/mind being a much broader more diffuse background to the mental processes and not really a part of that illusion of a seeming decision-making ego.
 
That would make sensory experience a necessary condition for consciousness.

Perhaps it would be better to say "sensory input" rather than "experience". Input is just the raw data about what the sensitive parts of the body are sensitive to.

I think you would be correct in pointing out that the "experience" is part of what consciousness does, not one of its necessary conditions.
 
TShaitanaku said:
That would make sensory experience a necessary condition for consciousness.

once the mechanism is evolved (genetics) it may exist in some form absent input, but even if it exists in isolation, without the programming (the experience of processing inputs) I'm not sure we could identify its presence.

But we know that people in sensory deprivation situations (where sensory input isn't completely cut off, but reduced to almost nothing) don't experience diminished consciousness.

This also came up in another thread: suppose I take a working brain and put it in a nutrient vat. There's nothing to suggest it would be unconscious, even though it has no sensory input.

And then there's the subjective experience of what it's like to be conscious. For me at least, it can transcend sensory input: my awareness of self, emotional experiences, memories.

Millions of bits of data come in through the senses every second, but we are only aware of a tiny percentage of that. What's choosing what we'll be aware of? Is it conscious?
 
Perhaps it would be better to say "sensory input" rather than "experience". Input is just the raw data about what the sensitive parts of the body are sensitive to.

I think you would be correct in pointing out that the "experience" is part of what consciousness does, not one of its necessary conditions.

Yeah, I changed it to "input" while you were typing your reply.
 
But we know that people in sensory deprivation situations (where sensory input isn't completely cut off, but reduced to almost nothing) don't experience diminished consciousness.
I think that, in order for my Buffer to emerge from the processing of information in the brain... something has to be processed. In a typical human, that would primarily be sensory input.

I suspect that initial sensory input, of some sort, could be key component for proper conscious experience to be established.
But, once the senses are cut off, there is no reason why the experience can't hang around for a long while after that.

Without any intial input, then any "Mind" the emerges on the inside of the buffer would be churning inherently meaningless garble. Though, depending on how the Buffer works, the Mind might not even emerge, at all.

suppose I take a working brain and put it in a nutrient vat. There's nothing to suggest it would be unconscious, even though it has no sensory input.
Is there still an opportunity for the brain to think about something? If it is merely cells being kept alive, I don't think so - therefore no consciousness.

If, however, the brain is allowed to go through the motions of thinking about... something... then, yes: I suspect a consciousness could emerge from it.


And then there's the subjective experience of what it's like to be conscious. For me at least, it can transcend sensory input: my awareness of self, emotional experiences, memories.
In my conjecture, that "transcending" feeling comes from the premise that part of your brain is somewhat-separated from the rest, by a Buffer.

Millions of bits of data come in through the senses every second, but we are only aware of a tiny percentage of that. What's choosing what we'll be aware of? Is it conscious?
Neuroscience already knows how a lot of that data is filtered out in various parts of the mind, that are "trained" to pick out specific patterns, and such.

Consciousness might not be "choosing" which bits of data would be available for us to be "aware" of. But, it might be developing ideas based on that data, and in the process, accidentally picking some bits as more relevent than others. In hindsight, we remember that we only sensed part of the relevant data.
 
I'm generally having problems picturing this as a physical buffer with width. Could you explain how this part works? Especially, how the width can be conceived of in terms of more or less conscious, and the definition of "casual influence" as you're using it?

I'm trying to relate to something like, say, how a loud noise robs one's attention, if that applies here (which is a prototype for "influence"), but I just can't get it to fit.
 

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