My argument against materialism

punshhh said:
If they look like my avatar, then I believe you.

I felt a chakra in my head just as I would feel a headache.
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I have felt headaches before. Now I discover from you that it could have been a chakra I felt. How can I distinguish between the two?

For example you can say to me, "It feels like a headache at first, but you then will experience a floating sensation and you will experience other human voices as if they were breathing helium."

Then I could recollect my past headaches and see if I also had those accompanying features.

Show me evidence and I will believe.
 
Robin said:
I would have to go with the others there. That does not seem to mean anything.

I think that there is a hard and fast rule for Materialists - don't second guess science.
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I cannot argue with this, as I concluded earlier my point has become mute. The point may remain, but it has no place here.
 
It would be very hard to experience something and not use your mind to experience it.
 
dafydd said:
Is that supposed to mean something? Let's try. An existing physical infinity on and in matter would exist so it would be material. I have no idea how a physical infinity could worm it's way into matter. Gibberish.
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Unfortunately I can provide no mathematical proofs, as I have pointed out, I am new to the scientific/materialist way of thinking. I have lived my whole life studying these subjects from the 'other side of the fence', from spiritual and mystical teachings. I do keep abreast of scientific developments and am genuinely interested in it, while also having little or no argument with it.

Now your question, well I see it not unsurprisingly from an entirely different direction.

Infinity doesn't need to worm its way into matter, my point is that each atom or sub atomic particle is in a sense "still" directly "connected" to the point of origin. It has an aspect outside of time and space and is in a certain sense still present in the singularity.

Hence could potentially be influenced by some "impulse" originating in the singularity at any time or point in space.

I refer you back to my post where I refered to God imminent.
 
Robin said:
You have now added another, er, dimension to your personal definition of infinite that it must have infinite dimensions.

You are assuming that physical reality is constrained to that which can be modelled by linear algebra.

Physics got past that assumption some time ago.
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I did not mean to say that our universe has infinite dimensions, I am quite happy with 11 dimensions and a 12th which is essentially a singularity rather than a dimension as such.

I do not rule out infinite dimensions "elsewhere"
 
Belz... said:
Wrong. You can definitely learn, but only if you want to. Instead you seem only to care about maintaining your feel-good "theories".
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It sounds as though your purpose here is to over turn my beliefs, rather than educate.
 
punshhh said:
Infinity doesn't need to worm its way into matter, my point is that each atom or sub atomic particle is in a sense "still" directly "connected" to the point of origin. It has an aspect outside of time and space and is in a certain sense still present in the singularity.

Hence could potentially be influenced by some "impulse" originating in the singularity at any time or point in space.
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You state this as if were a fact. It is a conjecture on your part. The fact that you believe it does not make it true.You have to prove it,that is the way things work in the real world. Leave the imaginary being named god out of it.
 
dafydd said:
You state this as if were a fact. It is a conjecture on your part. The fact that you believe it does not make it true.You have to prove it,that is the way things work in the real world. Leave the imaginary being named god out of it.
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I have no way of proving it, I wish I had. These are not my whimsical fancies, they are well known in other walks of life.
 
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