My argument against materialism

The Norseman said:
I have felt headaches before. Now I discover from you that it could have been a chakra I felt. How can I distinguish between the two?

For example you can say to me, "It feels like a headache at first, but you then will experience a floating sensation and you will experience other human voices as if they were breathing helium."

Then I could recollect my past headaches and see if I also had those accompanying features.

Show me evidence and I will believe.
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I once had an experience during meditation which was like the top of my head opening up and a sensation like the opening of a flower, the unfolding of petals. Followed by a feeling a bit like the warmth of the sun on my face on the top of my head which I visualised as the light of the spiritual sun falling on the flower.
 
punshhh said:
Not again:)

I am genuinely surprised that you folks regard the brain and the mind as one thing.

I had been under the impression that the mind "inhabited" the parts of the brain concerned with the higher or more computational activity and is not present in the more base activities such as pain response.
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''The emotional response to pain
Pain travels along two pathways from a source, such as an injury, back to your brain. One is the sensory pathway, which transmits the physical sensation. The other is the emotional pathway, which goes from the injury to the amygdala and the anterior cingulate cortex—areas of the brain that process emotion.''

http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/content/mind/art2101.html

http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20189613,00.html
 
punshhh said:
I once had an experience during meditation which was like the top of my head opening up and a sensation like the opening of a flower, the unfolding of petals. Followed by a feeling a bit like the warmth of the sun on my face on the top of my head which I visualised as the light of the spiritual sun falling on the flower.
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You've been imaging things,primed by your belief in chakras. Confirmation bias,we see that all the time here. Anecdotes are not evidence.
 
dlorde said:
He's just blathering. Uninformed stream-of-thought trimmed to sound purposeful.
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These ideas are taken from a wide reaching and well ordered cosmology of existence. I can no more alter the principles or rules of this cosmology than a physicist can bend the laws of physics to suit his/her whim.
 
punshhh said:
These ideas are taken from a wide reaching and well ordered cosmology of existence. I can no more alter the principles or rules of this cosmology than a physicist can bend the laws of physics to suit his/her whim.
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There is only one cosmology but it's not far out enough for you. Well ordered? Not if your attempts to explain it are anything to go by. The real universe is fascinating enough for me. Quote some of these principles and rules of this other cosmology.
 
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punshhh said:
Infinity doesn't need to worm its way into matter, my point is that each atom or sub atomic particle is in a sense "still" directly "connected" to the point of origin. It has an aspect outside of time and space and is in a certain sense still present in the singularity.

Hence could potentially be influenced by some "impulse" originating in the singularity at any time or point in space.
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Evidence? physical rationale? anything beyond 'this sounds suitably mystical'?

Just making stuff up isn't an argument.
 
dafydd said:
''The emotional response to pain
Pain travels along two pathways from a source, such as an injury, back to your brain. One is the sensory pathway, which transmits the physical sensation. The other is the emotional pathway, which goes from the injury to the amygdala and the anterior cingulate cortex—areas of the brain that process emotion.''

http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/content/mind/art2101.html

http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20189613,00.html
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I don't disagree with this, Just don't think the "mind" is involved other than in registering and experiencing the pain after the event.
 
punshhh said:
...I am quite happy with 11 dimensions and a 12th which is essentially a singularity rather than a dimension as such.
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A 12th dimension which is a singularity, not a dimension? Have you listened to yourself?

I do not rule out infinite dimensions "elsewhere"
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Neither you nor I have the physics knowledge necessary to even contemplate whether that makes any sense. Going by your past pronouncements, I suspect it doesn't. You just made it up because it sounded good.
 
dlorde said:
A 12th dimension which is a singularity, not a dimension? Have you listened to yourself?


Neither you nor I have the physics knowledge necessary to even contemplate whether that makes any sense. Going by your past pronouncements, I suspect it doesn't. You just made it up because it sounded good.
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Let's just all admit that everything is inter-connected and imbued with mystical properties in a far out cool and groovy cosmology that those cool Hindu dudes told us about centuries ago and it's so like wow man,and then we can all go home. Punshhh is not listening.
 
punshhh said:
These ideas are taken from a wide reaching and well ordered cosmology of existence. I can no more alter the principles or rules of this cosmology than a physicist can bend the laws of physics to suit his/her whim.
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OK, if this cosmology is so wide reaching and well ordered, and has principles and rules, maybe you could refer us to those principles and rules, and documentation of its order. A couple of links to the clearest expositions will suffice.

Meanwhile, give us some examples of the evidence for it. It can't just be based on imaginative fantasy, surely? There must be some basis for it, so let's hear the best evidence.
 
dlorde said:
OK, if this cosmology is so wide reaching and well ordered, and has principles and rules, maybe you could refer us to those principles and rules, and documentation of its order. A couple of links to the clearest expositions will suffice.

Meanwhile, give us some examples of the evidence for it. It can't just be based on imaginative fantasy, surely? There must be some basis for it, so let's hear the best evidence.
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That's taking optimism a bit too far.
 
dlorde said:
A 12th dimension which is a singularity, not a dimension? Have you listened to yourself?


Neither you nor I have the physics knowledge necessary to even contemplate whether that makes any sense. Going by your past pronouncements, I suspect it doesn't. You just made it up because it sounded good.
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I understand these ideas from another source to physics, I don't fully understand the mathematical modeling involved in physics when considering more than usually discussed dimensions.

From my perspective no maths is involved.
 
punshhh said:
I understand these ideas from another source to physics, I don't fully understand the mathematical modeling involved in physics when considering more than usually discussed dimensions.

From my perspective no maths is involved.
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Then you are totally out of your depth here. May I suggest the David Icke forum? They'll love your stuff over there.
 
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