Muslims respond with "Draw Holocaust Day"

[geni]

Western values?

Being appalled at the killing of millions of people based on race, religion and sexual orientation is a Western value?

Nope. Being appalled at the killing of millions of non combatants by someone we were fighting in an all out war with is.

Otherwise going by the number of people we've killed based on race and religion over the years it doesn't appear to be any more general.

This doesn't exist in the Orient? Orientals can't be offended by genocide, racism and murder?

I understand there is a certian amount of friction between japan and china over this issue. Going by their support of the Khmer Rouge and North korea though I'm not sure we can expand this into a general principle.

 

[geni]

The Muhammed cartoons aren't directed at the Palestinians. What do Palestinians have to do with any of this?



Uh?



This isn't about Israel and Palestine. Maybe you're in the wrong thread?

Yes well I think that rather establishes that you don't get it.

 

[Thunder]

I'd like to see Jews and Muslims get together...and condemn these acts of disrespect towards victims of the Holocaust..and Muslim holy symbols.

We can be more civilized than this.

 

[Pardalis]

Nope. Being appalled at the killing of millions of non combatants by someone we were fighting in an all out war with is.

Otherwise going by the number of people we've killed based on race and religion over the years it doesn't appear to be any more general.

Uh?

You didn't understand.

Let's try again.

you said:

Gas chamber victims with errection is from the pov of most western values far worse.

What you seem to be saying, is that Muslims or "Orientals" can't be offended by the crime of the Holocaust.

Isn't that a little racist? I'm sure there are alot of good honest people in the Muslim world and the "Eastern" world that are trully horrified by what happened to the Jews in WW2.

 

[Pardalis]

Yes well I think that rather establishes that you don't get it.

I'm sorry, could you answer my question? What do the Palestinians have to do with any of this?

 

[geni]

What you seem to be saying, is that Muslims or "Orientals" can't be offended by the crime of the Holocaust.

Isn't that a little racist? I'm sure there are alot of good honest people in the Muslim world and the "Eastern" world that are trully horrified by what happened to the Jews in WW2.

Since the actions in this case are designed to target westerners the various non western POV aren't really relivant.

 

[Pardalis]

But the actions assume the Holocaust is inoffensive to Easterners. And that is racist.

 

[geni]

I'm sorry, could you answer my question? What do the Palestinians have to do with any of this?

Look we've established that you don't get it is there any need to continue?

Okey.

We are dealing with the context of islam/western conflict.

In that context "Pissing off Muslims and denying an entire historical tragedy for spite are two entirely different things." is instantly going to bring up the issue of what happened to the Palestinians in 1948. The idea that you can isolate any one issue is hoplessly nieve. It would like be trying to dissucuss conferate/british relations without raising the issue of slavery since the issue was kinda critical to how both cultures defined themselves at the time.

 

[geni]

But the actions assume the Holocaust is inoffensive to Easterners. And that is racist.

Not really. Easterners are not at issue here. I doubt those involved care one way or there other how japan china and india feel about it. Just as the author of say piss chirst probably didn't care to much what muslims thought of it.

 

[Pardalis]

Look we've established that you don't get it is there any need to continue?

Could you please explain then? You're wasting bandwidth by giving non-answers to my clear question.

We are dealing with the context of islam/western conflict.

And what do Palestinians have to do with it? Alot of Westerners are sympathetic to their cause.

In that context "Pissing off Muslims and denying an entire historical tragedy for spite are two entirely different things." is instantly going to bring up the issue of what happened to the Palestinians in 1948.

I disagree. Not everything is about Israel. Only those who are obsessed over it see the connection.

The idea that you can isolate any one issue is hoplessly nieve.

It's the opposite, those who view a direct correlation with Islam and Israel are people who have an ideological and racist agenda.

It would like be trying to dissucuss conferate/british relations without raising the issue of slavery since the issue was kinda critical to how both cultures defined themselves at the time.

The topic of "Islam" doesn't reduce itself to Palestine. Islam is much more complex than that, and the people on that facebook page are a disgrace to Islam.

 

[Pardalis]

Not really. Easterners are not at issue here. I doubt those involved care one way or there other how japan china and india feel about it. Just as the author of say piss chirst probably didn't care to much what muslims thought of it.

I'll ask you straight. Do you think Muslims are incapable of caring about the Holocaust?

 

[geni]

Could you please explain then? You're wasting bandwidth by giving non-answers to my clear question.

And what do Palestinians have to do with it? Alot of Westerners are sympathetic to their cause.

I disagree. Not everything is about Israel. Only those who are obsessed over it see the connection.

One of the standard items that forms part of many of the modern islamic cultures (particulary those that don't like the west) is that what has happened in the former british mandate was somewhat unfortunate. Failing to take this into account will result in accidental irony as in the case of your statement.

It's the opposite, those who view a direct correlation with Islam and Israel are people who have an ideological and racist agenda.

I'm not aware of anyone who actualy holds that view.

The topic of "Islam" doesn't reduce itself to Palestine. Islam is much more complex than that, and the people on that facebook page are a disgrace to Islam.

And the topic confederate-british relations doesn't reduced itself to slavery.

 

[Pardalis]

One of the standard items that forms part of many of the modern islamic cultures (particulary those that don't like the west) is that what has happened in the former british mandate was somewhat unfortunate. Failing to take this into account will result in accidental irony as in the case of your statement.

This 8,500 square mile area called Israel is the main issue in Islam? Really?

 

[geni]

I'll ask you straight. Do you think Muslims are incapable of caring about the Holocaust?

Of course they are. Otherwise there wouldn't have been that fuss over Soykırım Yalanı.

 

[geni]

This 8,500 square mile area called Israel is the main issue in Islam? Really?

I didn't say that. I said events around it was one of the elements that features widely in islamic culture.

In any case thats twice the area of the falkland islands (small grey rocks in the south atlantic so desolate only penguins and the british are stupid enough to live there) which for some reason are still the major issue between Britian and Argentina.

 

[Pardalis]

Of course they are.

So do you agree then when you said this you were wrong?:

If drawing mohamed is done to make a point making jokes about the holocaust to make a point seems a reasonable responce.

If mocking the Holocaust is equally offensive to both "Westerners" and Muslims, then it is not the appropriate response to drawing Muhammed, right?

I didn't say that. I said events around it was one of the elements that features widely in islamic culture.

And they should get over it.

Denying the Holocaust is not the proper response for Palestinians.

 

[geni]

So do you agree then when you said this you were wrong?:



If mocking the Holocaust is equally offensive to both "Westerners" and Muslims, then it is not the appropriate response to drawing Muhammed, right?

Muslims are less homogeneous than westerners on this issue. Yes as a course of action it will offend some muslims but there have been plently of Muhammad pics draw than would offend many westerners (beastality is still taboo in most of the west right?). I understand the term for this is collateral damage.

And they should get over it.

As a general rule the time period for getting over things seems to be a least a century. Sometimes longer of course. Spain is still complaining about gibraltar which we've had since 1713.

 

[geni]

Denying the Holocaust is not the proper response for Palestinians.

Depends how you define proper. If you mean likely to lead to a peaceful outcome in the shortest possible time scale without large scale killings then yes. However cultures that take that approach tend not to last long.

 

[Checkmite]

Well, at least it's a nonviolent response. That was the goal, yeah?

 

[Pardalis]

Muslims are less homogeneous than westerners on this issue. Yes as a course of action it will offend some muslims but there have been plently of Muhammad pics draw than would offend many westerners (beastality is still taboo in most of the west right?). I understand the term for this is collateral damage.

So all this is just fair game to you?

A few people draw a prophet and the proper response is blatant racism and historical revisionism?

As a general rule the time period for getting over things seems to be a least a century. Sometimes longer of course. Spain is still complaining about gibraltar which we've had since 1713.

Seriously, why would Muslims in Indonesia, Pakistan or Iran be still troubled by what happened in Palestine 60 years ago?

At least Gibraltar is near Spain. Speaking of Spain, should Muslims around the world still be pissed they lost that one too?