Cont: Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla II

[dirtywick]

tesla sold fsd packages to consumers in vehicles with hardware that’s incapable of running the software necessary to achieve self driving. personally i think calling that over promising and under delivering too charitable. i use different language to describe that

in a sane world, there would be consequences to lying about what their product is capable of and selling a product that doesn’t exist. but there’s enough people out there who will celebrate it because he’s checking some boxes in their personal politics

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

People paid for it in 2016 and it still isn't delivering.

It's a failure.

It's still behind what other companies were doing in 2016.

 

[jeremyp]

You do know what “stipulated” means, right? As in…

“Stipulated that, to date, FSD has been woefully over-promised and under-delivered.”

You were claiming we can't label FSD a failure yet because it isn't done yet. It isn't done eleven years after it was announced and ten years after Tesla started taking orders. Furthermore, anybody who still has their 2016 Tesla who ordered FSD back then can't use it with the vehicle that Musk promised was capable of FSD.

FSD is a failure.

 

[dirtywick]

class action lawsuits are starting to pile up internationally. i'd imagine these will get very numerous and large. and why wouldn't they?

Tesla's 'Full Self-Driving' fraud lawsuit gets first hearing in China — 10 owners seek $583K

A Beijing court held its first hearing in a lawsuit by 10 Tesla owners alleging FSD fraud, seeking 3.95 million yuan ($583K) in damages over unfulfilled self-driving promises.

electrek.co

Tesla Faces Class-Action for Alleged Misleading Self-Driving Ads

A US judge certified a class-action accusing Tesla of misleading California drivers on its EVs’ self-driving capabilities

mexicobusiness.news

Tesla Motors Class Action | Australia

Class Action against Tesla Australia in relation to selling defective vehicles manufactured and marketed by Tesla US

www.teslaaction.com

Tesla HW3 claim grows to 7,000 owners, gets law firm backing for collective action

The Dutch collective claim against Tesla over broken HW3 self-driving promises now has 7,000 owners and law firm Kennedy Van der Laan preparing a formal legal action.

electrek.co

tesla said they were making cars they said could autonomously drive themselves, then sold customers packages for thousands of dollars to use the feature starting in 2016. then they came out and said any of the cars made before 2023 don't have the hardware necessary to drive themselves. so, they should probably be giving the money back and have some kind of punitive action against them for selling stuff that didn't exist.

like, i don't think that's very complicated or unfair.

 

[I Am The Scum]

I found this interesting page on Wikipedia, and... Let's just say the record is worse than you probably think.

List of predictions for autonomous Tesla vehicles by Elon Musk - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Aridas]

It's still behind what other companies were doing in 2016.

A point that had made me rather leery of Fast Eddie B's use of the term leapfrog.

You were claiming we can't label FSD a failure yet because it isn't done yet. It isn't done eleven years after it was announced and ten years after Tesla started taking orders. Furthermore, anybody who still has their 2016 Tesla who ordered FSD back then can't use it with the vehicle that Musk promised was capable of FSD.

FSD is a failure.

Specifically, Musk's FSD promises are worthy of being called out as being scams. Work on FSD is not even remotely just Musk's efforts to scam people with a dream, though, which means that calling out Musk's fraudulent behavior is a terrible basis to call FSD a failure.

 

[dirtywick]

https://www.reuters.com/world/tesla-fix-software-millions-china-made-imported-evs-china-2026-08-21/

tesla subject to a massive 3m car recall in china over safety

 

[Safe-Keeper]

This thread, and Elonia herself, remind me of Artemis by Andy Weird (lol, love the autocorrect), which is also about a moon base. It's a recommended* read because it has the same '16-year old boy fantasizing about living on the Moon' energy as Elonia's ravings. It even has creepy views on CSA and women, just like Elonia, MAGA, and the rest of the Epstein class.



*If you're in the mood for a plain weird book or just something to hate-read.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

https://www.reuters.com/world/tesla-fix-software-millions-china-made-imported-evs-china-2026-08-21/

tesla subject to a massive 3m car recall in china over safety

Oh good, more Teslas for the Moon.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Global YTD car sales ranking for July 2026:-
1. Tesla Model Y, +19.6% YoY
2. Toyota Corolla, -6.0% YoY
3. Ford F-series, -9.5% YoY
4. Toyota RAV4, -25.6% YoY
5. Honda CR-V, -2.4% YoY

 

[dirtywick]

Tesla discontinues its Solar Roof tiles, not economically viable

Tesla has discontinued the Solar Roof, telling installers it will only supply solar panels going forward, two sources tell Electrek.

electrek.co

tesla is done with the solar roof tiles, as his first but not last foray into passing his personal debt onto his shareholders and then defrauding them comes to a successful close

 

[jeremyp]

Global YTD car sales ranking for July 2026:-
1. Tesla Model Y, +19.6% YoY
2. Toyota Corolla, -6.0% YoY
3. Ford F-series, -9.5% YoY
4. Toyota RAV4, -25.6% YoY
5. Honda CR-V, -2.4% YoY

Source?

 

[Andy_Ross]

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[Ziggurat]

A compute reseller is low margin with the super profits going to the AI owner.

No. A compute reseller can guarantee a profit margin. The compute customer may not be making any profit at all.

 

[a_unique_person]

No. A compute reseller can guarantee a profit margin. The compute customer may not be making any profit at all.

If they go bust that deals worked worthless and that's what's going to happen. Elon is working to make mega profits to justify his share price, not reasonable ones.

 

[Darat]

So far no one is making profit on AI if you look at their entire balance sheet in regards to AI spending let alone mega profits.

All the mega profits from AI remain sometime in the future, it's computing's version of fusion "any year now".

 

[jeremyp]

It’s possible that NVidia is making profits on AI. As the company making the hardware, they should be in a good position. Unfortunately, they are heavily invested in the AI companies which means they are effectively selling their GPUs to themselves.

Everybody is using AI but, I think, if we had to pay what it really costs, almost all of the demand would disappear.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So far no one is making profit on AI if you look at their entire balance sheet in regards to AI spending let alone mega profits.

All the mega profits from AI remain sometime in the future, it's computing's version of fusion "any year now".

Chip suppliers seem to be doing OK.
Or should I say their shareholders, which is all that matters.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Nvidia just announced Record Sales of 96.2 Billion Dollars, forecasting a 70% rise in Revenue in 2028. Congratulations to Jensen Huang on these incredible numbers, and the Company’s Great Success. Only in America!
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[Gulliver Foyle]

It’s possible that NVidia is making profits on AI. As the company making the hardware, they should be in a good position. Unfortunately, they are heavily invested in the AI companies which means they are effectively selling their GPUs to themselves.

Everybody is using AI but, I think, if we had to pay what it really costs, almost all of the demand would disappear.

Everybody is using AI except the people needed to pay for it. When Anthropic and Openai upped their fees at the start of the year, their clients throttled back on their usage abruptly.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It's almost as if AI costs more than it helps to make