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Cont: Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla II

plague311 said:
If anyone is familiar with Ozzy Man Reviews' youtube channel, he made a pretty funny cybertruck video about a weekish or so ago. I'm at work or I'd look it up and link to it.

Before Roger and the others watch it, it's just for laughs. Ozzy Man isn't a professional car reviewer, he's just a personality. It does show some of the funnier hangups that the cybertruck has, and includes multiple Ford trucks pulling the cybertruck out of some pretty basic obstacles.
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I b believe you may be referring to



I like the suggestion that Ford could make a commercial with no soundtrack, just with 30 seconds of Fords towing Cybertrucks out of trouble.
 
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jeremyp said:
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I like the suggestion that Ford could make a commercial with no soundtrack, just with 30 seconds of Fords towing Cybertrucks out of trouble.
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That's the one! I was laughing so hard it made me cry. Still not as good as the multiple Destination ****** videos though.

dirtywick said:
https://electrek.co/2024/07/09/tesl...-self-driving-routes-for-himself-influencers/

is it lying to optimize fsd for prominent users to give a false impression of how good it works? or does that not count? i’d hate to have to come back here again and reference this when the where’s the evidence elon lied memory lapses kick in
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Of course it's not lying, it's salesmanship! It's 4D chess!

ETA: I did see my first cybertruck in person yesterday since one parked behind City Hall where I work. They are bulkier and more trashcan looking in person.
 
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plague311 said:
ETA: I did see my first cybertruck in person yesterday since one parked behind City Hall where I work. They are bulkier and more trashcan looking in person.
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Seriously. I saw my first one in the wild last week as well. I highly recommend seeing one for yourself. The photos do not fully prepare you for how ugly this thing is.
 
A big YT guy called HeavyD ( Sparks motors) has one of the top versions and has run it on big off road tires, sand paddles and used it to haul his mini excavator.

He loves his and has probably broken more on it than most ever will.
He won't say one bad word about it. He likes it that much.

My guess is as a rich boy's toy it's fine because he has three dozen other vehicles to use if one is down.
To the guy scraping along to get one as his dream ride any downtime or recalls would be more intrusive to life.
 
GraculusTheGreenBird said:
There would be a really simple way of putting all these issues to bed once and for all.

Just don't publicly unveil a prototype that you can't deliver on in the first place.
Don't make ******** promises that you can't deliver on in the first place.

Ford don't do it.
Hyundai don't do it.
BMW don't do it.
Volksvagen don't do it.
Toyota don't do it.Nissan don't do it.
Audi don't do it.
Kia don't do it.
Mercedes don't do it.
Chrysler don't do it.
Alfa Romeo don't do it.
Peugeot don't do it.
Citroën don't do it.
Jeep don't do it.
Dodge don't do it.
Fiat don't do it.
Maserati don't do it.

Only Musk does it with Tesla.
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That's funny. I remember Toyota showing a lineup of all the EVs they were going to release, and all we got was the BZ4X - which then proceeded to undo its wheel nuts because (Toyota says) they hadn't taken into account the higher torque of electric motors.

Then there's the solid state battery saga:-
Solid state batteries: Toyota has history of talking big on EV breakthrough, but not delivering
Reports this week from major media outlets say Toyota has made a breakthrough on solid state batteries that could revolutionise the future of electric vehicles. But the claims should be taken with a grain of salt: Toyota has a history of unfulfilled big promises on batteries going back over a decade.

“Toyota claims battery breakthrough in potential boost for electric cars” read one headline in The Guardian this week. The article claims Toyota believes it could make a solid-state battery with a range of 745 miles (1198km) that charges in 10 minutes.

The article states that Toyota is pursuing a plan to roll out electric vehicles with the new solid state batteries by 2025.

That would be great, were it to happen. But the reality is that Toyota produced just 8000 electric vehicles in the first half of 2023, making up just 0.19% of the company’s total production.

And Toyota has a history of talking big on battery and hydrogen breakthroughs but never seeming to follow through with actual production.

Toyota’s track record of battery spin was picked up today by climate and energy researcher Ketan Joshi, who posted screenshots of Toyota’s unfulfilled battery claims going back to 2009.

One headline from Forbes in 2017 reads “Ultrafast-Charging Solid-State EV Batteries Around The Corner, Toyota Confirms”.

Another headline from 14 years ago reads “Toyota Develops More Efficient Battery, Tenfold Improvement In Capacity May Be Possible”

“If Nikkei’s estimate is on the money, a ten-fold increase in range means Toyota’s next-generation hybrids and EVs could easily travel between Melbourne and Sydney on a single charge.” says the 2009 Drive article, which said at the time that such batteries were not expected to arrive until sometime after 2015. We are still waiting.

In its story on Toyota’s latest battery claims The Guardian states: “Toyota says it has made a technological breakthrough that will allow it to halve the weight, size and cost of batteries, in what could herald a major advance for electric vehicles,”...

However Kaita’s claims that current batteries are too expensive also doesn’t fit with reality as Tesla is already producing vehicles with up to 600 km range with some of the highest profit margins ever seen in the automotive industry.
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But hey, maybe they will come through with those 30 promised models eventually, and maybe the production models will look exactly the same as the concept images. Guess we will just have to wait and see, eh?

As for the others - I don't have time to check your claims, and it would be a waste of time anyway because I know what you would say.

Yet, you expect us to believe that this is in fact entirely normal behaviour for a car manufacturer, and we just haters for pointing it out?

Wake up.
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Hiding words behind asterisks to get past the auto-censor is a bit more than just 'pointing it out' don't you think? I can only presume you are resorting to swear words because you don't have facts and logic on your side. Yet you expect me to believe that you aren't a hater.
 
dirtywick said:
https://electrek.co/2024/07/09/tesl...-self-driving-routes-for-himself-influencers/

is it lying to optimize fsd for prominent users to give a false impression of how good it works? or does that not count? i’d hate to have to come back here again and reference this when the where’s the evidence elon lied memory lapses kick in
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It's not evidence that Musk is lying. In fact, it may provide an innocent explanation for some of the falsehoods Musk tells with respect to FSD.

If Musk has a bad experience with FSD, people on the FSD team may get shouted at (or fired), so it would be natural to concentrate on making Musk's experience of FSD as good as it can be. Musk keeps making ******** claims for FSD, but it might be that he genuinely believes them because his personal experience is so good and it hasn't occurred to him that his employees are trying to make their lives easier rather than presenting him with the unvarnished truth.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
I'd say that was petty weak sauce evidence of Musk lying.
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What about the list of lies I posted?

He claims to be a founder of Tesla

He lied about the release date of the Model 3 and its price

He lies about FSD on a regular basis

He lied about when SpaceX was going to Mars

He lied about Hyperloop

He lied when he said he had the finance to take Tesla private

He lied about the release date, price and specs of Cybertruck

He lied about the release date of the new Roadster - probably it will never appear but he has taken deposits

He lied about the release date and specs of the semi.

He lied about the Tesla robot - well, he was complicit in the presentation of fake videos

He lied about Solar City's roof tile solar panels
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jeremyp said:
It's not evidence that Musk is lying. In fact, it may provide an innocent explanation for some of the falsehoods Musk tells with respect to FSD.

If Musk has a bad experience with FSD, people on the FSD team may get shouted at (or fired), so it would be natural to concentrate on making Musk's experience of FSD as good as it can be. Musk keeps making ******** claims for FSD, but it might be that he genuinely believes them because his personal experience is so good and it hasn't occurred to him that his employees are trying to make their lives easier rather than presenting him with the unvarnished truth.
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i mean, i can't tell if you're being serious or not here.

but if so, i'm not going to split hairs between elon musks's personal lies and the deceptive practices of his companies. or that there's a rogue marketing department out there making him look crazy. he's responsible for both imo

but if you were joking, haha that's pretty funny
 
Sure, take Toyota off the list then. The other 16 remain.

Roger Ramjets said:
Hiding words behind asterisks to get past the auto-censor is a bit more than just 'pointing it out' don't you think? I can only presume you are resorting to swear words because you don't have facts and logic on your side. Yet you expect me to believe that you aren't a hater.
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What on earth are you talking about? Have you lost the plot completely?

In what way am I trying to get past the auto censor? I am not writing the asterisks, the auto-censor is doing that, when I write that Musk is a ********ter.

I am writing that because he IS a ********ter. That doesn't make me a hater. It makes me someone who accepts reality and can clearly see ******** when it is spouted.
 
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IMHO, the AI for robotaxi is a whole order of magnitude more complex than a LLM and it has to happen in real-time with a compact computer using low power.

Dedicated route trucks are in use now at mines. They do the one route all day and the one task.
 
dirtywick said:
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...ber-august-bloomberg-news-reports-2024-07-11/

robotaxi unveiling is delayed.

to me, the best thing about being a hater is that you always get to be right.
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Yeah, you can pretty much guarantee that whatever is promised when it eventually gets unveiled, will not be what is actually produced.

Because Musk is a ********ter.

He's been making the same promises since 2015, saying is just 6 months or a year away. Why should we believe him now?
 
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