Bogative
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Hundreds of millions of people call a truck a truck.
One random person on internet calls a truck a SUV.
One of the two options is cultish, the other is not.
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Hundreds of millions of people call a truck a truck.
One random person on internet calls a truck a SUV.
One of the two options is cultish, the other is not.
junkshop
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I have not mentioned SUVs.
My point, if it wasn't clear, is that you compared the only bed size of the cybertruck to the smallest bed size of the F-150 without mentioning that it is an optional, smaller than standard size.
Roger Ramjets
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True, but plague311 did. A total lie it was too. It's a sad world when purported champions of rationality resort to such tactics. Even sadder when others don't call it out and just keep pushing the narrative.
Most sad of all is when it falls on partisan lines with 'right-wing' posters being being truthful and honest while so-called 'progressives' are the opposite. It really is a crazy world we are living in right now.
Let's be fair here. First off, compare the Cybertruck to the closest Ford model, the F-150 Lightning. I'll go for the top trim F-150 Lightning® Platinum.
Cybertruck
So the Cybertruck is 9 inches shorter overall, yet has a longer bed than the standard F-150 Lightning. It's also 4% lighter and has longer (estimated) driving range.
And before the haters latch onto that 'est.' range with their usual lies,
Tesla Cybertruck Foundation Series Beats Tesla's Estimate in Edmunds' EV Range Test
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
The promised range by Musk was 500 miles. That was what people signed up for. Then it was revised down to the actual range. There is an optional battery that takes up a lot of the tray space,
theprestige
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You should talk to a lawyer. It sounds like you have grounds for a class action lawsuit.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
Not my problem.
theprestige
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If people who actually own Cybertrucks don't think it's a problem, maybe it's not a problem.
Bogative
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Deflecting from what, you talking about guys' wieners and muscles in a thread about Elon Musk?
dirtywick
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just trying to talk in terms you can relate to
theprestige
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There's a lot of things not to like about the truck. I'm just not sure the actual range of the production model is one of them. And I think maybe people who hate Musk and were never going to buy a Cybertruck aren't the best judges of what not to like about the vehicle.
gabeygoat
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Considering how much range anxiety puts a lot of people off evs in general, I'd assume it plays a part in purchase decisions for this truck
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theprestige
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Sure, but that's a dispassionate, informed decision about the specs of the vehicle. It's not a complaint about the projected range versus the actual range.
Musk said one thing, the actual range is something else. Is this a problem? Did Musk defraud anyone? Actual Cybertruck owners don't seem to think so. Musk haters who were never interested in the product to begin with with seem to think it's perfidious perfidy on Musk's part.
Roger Ramjets
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Tesla Cybertruck
Concept vehicles generally don't make it into production unchanged, if at at all (most never get past the concept stage), so it's not surprising that the specifications changed as development continued. People were still making reservations well after the specs were firmed up, and anyone who wasn't happy could pull out at any time.
I don't know why the range was revised downwards, but I suspect it had to do with battery technology not advancing as much as was hoped. The use of 4680 cells may be one factor. When Tesla announced the capacity improvement and cost reduction these cells would bring I was skeptical, especially as they were intending to use a new 'dry' coating technique that looked technically challenging. Nevertheless I'm sure the engineers thought they could do it. This wouldn't be the first time that a battery manufacturer had 'optimistic' goals, nor will it be the last. In fact it's quite normal in the industry.
Another interesting fact is that the Cybertruck's battery box is not completely full (widely reported as being 'half-empty' though this doesn't appear to be true). It looks to me like they could easily have put in enough extra cells to boost the range by 50% (340 to 500 miles) but there may be technical or other reasons (cost, cell production rate?) why they didn't do it.
Point is that this is just the 'foundation' series, which will almost certainly be revised for later mainstream production models. Also the actual range, while less than the originally planned 500 miles, is still greater than the Ford F-150 Lightning which Musk was aiming to match.
Tesla could use higher capacity batteries in the Cybertruck, but that would probably mean buying them from China which is very problematic in the US right now. It will be interesting to see what happens when they start selling Cybertrucks in China. I'm betting the range and price will be much closer to the original concept.
Of course none of this will satisfy the haters, because they don't want to be satisfied. They are only looking for ammunition to attack Musk, Tesla and EVs in general with, and will inflate, distort, or outright lie about anything related to those topics - and when that's not enough they make stuff up.
It's amusing to watch purportedly intelligent 'skeptics' lose their **** over Musk and Tesla, but it doesn't bother me. I'm only interested in the technology and what Tesla is doing to push the boundaries. So far they have done pretty well, but in any game like this there's always a chance they will push it too far and crash and burn. Some of the things they are doing might not seem rational to someone on the outside, but I just found out about Tesla taking autonomous driving to China and the penny dropped. Huge city populations, only 44% of households own a car (52% in urban areas) - seems like robotaxis could be a huge money spinner for whoever manages to make them reliable. And China is exactly where we need it now, as they are the World's biggest CO2 emitters.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
What disappoints me of that Tesla was creating leading edge products and it's now a shambles. The big Tesla battery has been a game changer for helping the transition to renewable energy. The Tesla cars were a breakthrough in making electric cars a viable consumer product. The Tesla Wall battery was the first viable consumer home storage battery to pair with solar power. With Elon on control it's become a vanity project that Elon is milking to fund his pet personal flights of fancy like Twitter/X.
The FSD debacle is a typical Elon move that debases the Tesla brand and breeds consumer distrust. He continually promises what he can't deliver.
The FSD debacle is a typical Elon move that debases the Tesla brand and breeds consumer distrust. He continually promises what he can't deliver.
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dirtywick
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oh now who's not being honest
jeremyp
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Because the number, like the price, was pulled out of Musk's arse.
The Cybertruck is already very heavy, so weight probably has something to do with. It's also very expensive, so cost is another thing that will have something to do with it.
Instead of insulting your opponents, why not argue the points?
Yes it does, otherwise you wouldn't bang on about the Haters all the time.
theprestige
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Evidence?
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I'm more familiar with the vicissitudes of military procurement. Say the government wants a new tank. They want it to weigh under a certain tonnage, and have a top speed of so much. The contractor delivers a prototype that meets these requirements. Then, between prototype and production, the tank gets loaded with upgrades and additional features. Its weight goes up, its top speed goes down. Nobody pulled any numbers out of their ass. Everyone understood that the ideal tank was a starting point, and that the production model wouldn't match the ideal specs. A lot of times, the ideal specs are there just to set a target for the production model.
Or look at the Have Blue stealth prototype. Ridiculously stealthy shape. Almost completely unflyable shape. So the production F-117 traded away some stealth for a (marginally) more flyable shape. Did Lockheed pull the initial stealth numbers out of its ass? Did they scam the taxpayer, when their production model didn't live up to the promise of the prototype?