Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Do you mean all the child sexual abuse accounts that existed prior to his ownership he suspended? Oh noes!

[Citation needed]

PS the Musk airplane tracker account wasn't a child abuse account, despite Galaxy Brain's claims.

It is interesting to note that Galaxy Brain's most vocal supporters (and the vast majorityof his support) come from the far right, haters of any kind of free speech.
 
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TBH, I'm not even sure how much more he could possibly manipulate the share price.

The biggest jump in stock value was when he had bought those 9.2% of the shares, starting with a jump of about 25% and ending up about 27% over the previous share price. Then it started to decline. Between his announcement that he wants to buy it, and Twitter accepting, it barely rose back to about the level from after he bought those shares.

AND his offer included a 1 billion penalty if he backed out, which he probably thought would be the only money he'd lose for the stunt. Turned out, it didn't work that way.

BUT even more importantly, remember this wouldn't be the only stock he stood to win or lose from. The kerfuffle promptly caused the price of Tesla stock to drop, lowering his own worth by about 30 billion dollars.

So, yeah, I'm seriously not sure how much more he thought he could manipulate Twitter share price to make up even for that 1 billion penalty.


TL;DR: I think even you give him way more credit than he deserves. I seriously think he's a clown who tried to pull a stunt that would give him publicity. The guy seems seriously more obsessed with being in everyone's mind all the time than Tinkerbell.


The plan would have been to buy a load of stock and create some rumours about buying the company. Then you would expect the price to go up. Then you would sell the stop, perhaps even do some short selling through somebody else and simultaneously start trashing the reputation of the board.

I concede, if that was his plan, it didn't work very well and was probably ill conceived from the start. I also concede he may have done the whole thing out of spite. Towards the end but before throwing in the towel on the court case, it looked like he was simply trying to destroy Twitter.

Whatever Musk's real motive, I think we can agree he behaved very stupidly.
 
Hang on. Before we go any further. Do you support free speech? Not speech that you like or aligns with your narrative. Speech you don't like by people you intensly (perhaps) detest.

My support depends on the actual speech in question, not who is speaking. As a simple summation, I am pro-free speech to the extent that it is beneficial to society. The benefits it brings to society, in full context, are fundamentally what make it a praiseworthy thing, after all.

Why am I not saying a simple "yes?" Because the absolutist "free speech" caricature that's been put forward lately has largely emphasized letting bad actors act badly without consequence and is often a facade for little more than a power grab and avoiding accountability, rather than any principled devotion or appreciation for what makes free speech good.

Do you think it was wrong for pre-Musk Twitter to suspend right-leaning/conservative accounts?

Depends why they were actually suspended. Twitter, under Dorsey, was hardly some ideal organization and was susceptible to normal mistakes being made, of course, which is something that applied across the board. Plenty of left-leaning/liberal accounts were banned for uncertain cause, too, either way.

Right leaning accounts might indeed have been more likely to be banned, though. There's a simple reason for that. There was much more bad behavior being engaged in by right-leaning/conservative accounts than by left-leaning/liberal accounts and the right-wing propaganda network thrives on loudly pretending that people that they think are on their side acting badly and actually facing consequences for their bad behavior are actually the victims. Perverse incentives entice perverse actions.

Wrong to ban the Hunter Biden laptop story?

When your premise is just that false, that rather undermines any credibility you have on that.

At last check, the NY Post's Hunter Biden story was not banned (or even blocked). There were very temporary restrictions put on how it could be spread because it looked likely to be violating a use of hacked material policy while further investigation was done, during a time where there was very real cause for concern about hostile actors doing their best to profit from criminal action. I had and have no problem with the actual actions that were taken. I have far more problem with how dishonestly the events there been used by the right-wing to prop up false narratives, like the one you just cited.

There's no way to verify if you're consistent, of course, but clearly Musk Twitter is much freer than before he bought it.

For a certain version of "free" and for certain people's speech, I suppose.

Musk took over a growing company that was doing fine overall and turned it into a company that's just not financially viable anymore with all the crippling debt he added, then made a bunch of terrible structural business changes that dramatically lowered the company's income. It's just not a positive mark for "free" when that "freedom" is one very short step away from the complete destruction of the platform.

Musk took over a company where the restrictions on speech were pretty much only there for the sake of maximizing profits and changed things up so the restrictions on speech and who gets heard are much more politically based. Changing from a neutral standard for content moderation to a distinctly biased standard for content moderation isn't some positive mark for free speech.

Musk has engaged in a number of anti-free speech lawsuits against those who have used data to demonstrate that there have been unpleasant consequences to some of Musk's structural changes and worked to make it so the data can't be examined anymore. Musk has chosen to sue entities like GARM out of existence for merely recommending not to advertise on his platform as they used fairly objective criteria to determine whether to do so. These are all very clearly anti-free speech actions.

Why should we play along with the pretense that Musk is actually working to protect free speech when he just keeps attacking it in really obvious ways?
 
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The plan would have been to buy a load of stock and create some rumours about buying the company. Then you would expect the price to go up. Then you would sell the stop, perhaps even do some short selling through somebody else and simultaneously start trashing the reputation of the board.

I concede, if that was his plan, it didn't work very well and was probably ill conceived from the start. I also concede he may have done the whole thing out of spite. Towards the end but before throwing in the towel on the court case, it looked like he was simply trying to destroy Twitter.

Whatever Musk's real motive, I think we can agree he behaved very stupidly.

I assure you that I understand how "pump and dump" works. Just, as you say too, if that was the plan... it was a very stupid plan and very stupidly executed.

Perhaps I'm the one giving him too much credit when assuming he must have been just the usual ass-clown :p
 
why do a bunch of white nationalists care about musk at all? he’s thrown in with the right in pursuit of his stock deal, in exchange he amplifies their fascist views and supports their political agenda, and brazil crossed him so now the right must concern itself with brazil. free speech is all just a pretense to it.

they’ll lie right to your face.
Validation.
 
It's quite astonishing that in about a generation liberals have ceded "free speech and expression" to be a uniquely right-wing value. What the hell happened.


One side is an authoritarian left-wing judge who is threatening citizens of his country with a fine that is over 20 times the amount of an annual salary in Brazil not for viewing social media, but for having technology on their phone that would allow them to do it without being detected by the government.

The other side is a free-speech platform used for the open exchange of ideas.

They side with the authoritarian. They are not liberals, they are leftist.
 
not for viewing social media, but for having technology on their phone that would allow them to do it without being detected by the government.

Skipping over the rest of the :rolleyes: worthy crap, this is objectively false.

VPNs are not illegal in Brazil. Getting caught using one to access X may be, now, but the VPN itself is not.
 
Skipping over the rest of the :rolleyes: worthy crap, this is objectively false.

VPNs are not illegal in Brazil. Getting caught using one to access X may be, now, but the VPN itself is not.

This is correct, I was wrong. The article I read said VPNs were banned.
 
This is correct, I was wrong. The article I read said VPNs were banned.

Thanks for the retraction, it's a rare commodity these days and I appreciate it.
Could I ask, from where did you read the article?
 
The couple of Brazilians I know (eg Luciana) are angry at Musk for going against the laws of a democratic republic but not having the balls to go against dictators where suddenly he "has to obey the laws of the countries he operates in".
 
That is the point, it’s a company not complying with the laws of the country it wants to operate in, what is Brazil meant to do? Nowt at all to do with free speech. The USA and states in the USA wont let you operate in their country or state if you don’t comply with the laws of the USA and states.
 
That is the point, it’s a company not complying with the laws of the country it wants to operate in, what is Brazil meant to do? Nowt at all to do with free speech. The USA and states in the USA wont let you operate in their country or state if you don’t comply with the laws of the USA and states.
 
The couple of Brazilians I know (eg Luciana) are angry at Musk for going against the laws of a democratic republic but not having the balls to go against dictators where suddenly he "has to obey the laws of the countries he operates in".
That is the sentiment here too, at least among the 0.02% of our Brazilian population I've sampled.
 
The couple of Brazilians I know (eg Luciana) are angry at Musk for going against the laws of a democratic republic but not having the balls to go against dictators where suddenly he "has to obey the laws of the countries he operates in".
The Democracy is under attack from extremists using the Trump playbook. They refused to accept the election results.

The country has already had military coups. Democracy is fragile,
 
hahaha he's into the red pilled stuff. doesn't really square up with his small penis humiliation fetish though. and his other public humiliation fetish.
 

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