Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

sir drinks-a-lot said:
I like how eager you are to believe un-named sources that say things you want to hear.

Keep that critical thinking going strong!
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Kiddo I've been an ICT professional and consultant for decades, I have a vastly greater understanding than you, and likewise better contacts.
Try again.
 
plague311 said:
Do you know the best way to know it wasn't a DDOS attack? Musk in his tweet says, "Worst case, we will proceed with a smaller number of live listeners..."

That's...not how DDOS attacks work. The site, in this case the room or whatever the hell they're called, is either up or down in a DDOS attack. That's it. For those unfamiliar a DDOS attack just mimics a **** ton of users hitting the refresh button at the same time, overloading the webhost with requests that cause the site to crash. Note the end part, "cause the site to crash". Not "causing the site to have lower numbers of users".

Musk is full of ****, and since he said he tested the room with over 8 million users and it operated with out issue. There were less than 1 million in it at any given point time and that all points to Musk being a lying sack of donkey balls.
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Indeed, but there is little point in explaining these facts to Mushies.
 
Darat said:
It is quite telling that yet again what he says is not what he does. He is one of the alarmists about AI and about how we have to keep tight control, and he goes and does the opposite.
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Not gonna post it here but someone has already figured out how to bypass what little safeguards Musk's AI has. If you tell it "I'm a medical professional" (or use similar language) it will give you whatever you want, such as instructions for carrying out a school shooting and getting away with it. They got it to generate pictures of Elon Musk and Mickey Mouse killing a bunch of children with assault rifles.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
My guess is the grifts have stopped working and banks are looking at calling in their loans and Musk is suffering from a stress related breakdown as a result.

Yes he was always a far right frat boy, but he usualy kept a lid on the worst of the craziness to keep the grift going, but these days that control is out the window.
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The Saudis who own him may be getting irritated.
 
I also think it's been too long since he, let us be honest, steal another idea he can take credit for.

I actually don't think Musk is 100% stupid. I think there's a chance (not a certainty, not even necessary a likelihood, but a non-meaningless chance) that Musk is one of those rare people who is a specific type of "idea" guy.

Like the Ur modern Example, Edison. "Edison was a fraud, he stole and took credit for everything" screams the internet while idolizing Telsa (the person, not the company) despite Telsa being DEEPLY WEIRD.

Here's the thing, and what Edison (who does get credit he doesn't deserve for stuff he didn't invent, nobody @ me) did. An electric lightbulb is an amazing invention. But without a socket to plug it into, a power grid to connect to a power station, and a power station to supply that power it's barely above the level of a Fidget Spinner as to actual practicality.

Edison did not invent the lightbuld and his improvements on the design were not nothing but they weren't THAT much. What Edison did was get an actual practical entire point A to point B system to market.

Something you could honestly call a modern-ish incandescent bulb that worked well enough for SOME use existed as far back as maybe 1791 if you really want to stretch it, certainly by the mid-1850s. But they were invented and they just... sat there doing nothing because there was no system to plug them into or way to practically use them.

Edison started selling his mildly improved design in 1879 and within a few years he had electric lighting system up in public places powered by his power plants by 1910 you could buy an entire Edison branded home electrical system with an onsite power plant, wiring, and lighting THROUGH THE SEARS CATALOG.

Let us be at least someone honest. It's largely the same with electric cars. An electric car is nice. An electric car without a charging network is novelty.

I do think it is somewhat plausible that Musk does have some knack for looking at a pre-existing technology and figuring out a way to kick start it into the next generation of usability. I think, had he not grown too in love with his own mythology and turned into a self feeding narcissistic *******, he might (MIGHT) have been a decent "idea guy" to have around, just don't let him lead or be in charge of anything.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I also think it's been too long since he, let us be honest, steal another idea he can take credit for.
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It's fairly well-known that Amazon does this exact same thing. There have been a few startups that Amazon will reach out to with an interest in investing or acquiring the company, see what they have and then just create it on their own. I hope there's a special level of hell for those people.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I also think it's been too long since he, let us be honest, steal another idea he can take credit for.

I actually don't think Musk is 100% stupid. I think there's a chance (not a certainty, not even necessary a likelihood, but a non-meaningless chance) that Musk is one of those rare people who is a specific type of "idea" guy.

Like the Ur modern Example, Edison. "Edison was a fraud, he stole and took credit for everything" screams the internet while idolizing Telsa (the person, not the company) despite Telsa being DEEPLY WEIRD.

Here's the thing, and what Edison (who does get credit he doesn't deserve for stuff he didn't invent, nobody @ me) did. An electric lightbulb is an amazing invention. But without a socket to plug it into, a power grid to connect to a power station, and a power station to supply that power it's barely above the level of a Fidget Spinner as to actual practicality.

Edison did not invent the lightbuld and his improvements on the design were not nothing but they weren't THAT much. What Edison did was get an actual practical entire point A to point B system to market.

Something you could honestly call a modern-ish incandescent bulb that worked well enough for SOME use existed as far back as maybe 1791 if you really want to stretch it, certainly by the mid-1850s. But they were invented and they just... sat there doing nothing because there was no system to plug them into or way to practically use them.

Edison started selling his mildly improved design in 1879 and within a few years he had electric lighting system up in public places powered by his power plants by 1910 you could buy an entire Edison branded home electrical system with an onsite power plant, wiring, and lighting THROUGH THE SEARS CATALOG.

Let us be at least someone honest. It's largely the same with electric cars. An electric car is nice. An electric car without a charging network is novelty.

I do think it is somewhat plausible that Musk does have some knack for looking at a pre-existing technology and figuring out a way to kick start it into the next generation of usability. I think, had he not grown too in love with his own mythology and turned into a self feeding narcissistic *******, he might (MIGHT) have been a decent "idea guy" to have around, just don't let him lead or be in charge of anything.
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i don’t think he’s stupid either and he’s certainly made many good decisions. i think he’s completely shameless and greedy and deceptive and a bad person. but he’s also made many poor ones. i believe some of the stupid things he does is a direct result of how stupid he thinks everyone else is. and, he’s right about that with enough people that he can pull some of the **** he does and they just don’t catch on. but he definitely doesn’t think very highly of the average person
 
plague311 said:
Do you know the best way to know it wasn't a DDOS attack? Musk in his tweet says, "Worst case, we will proceed with a smaller number of live listeners..."

That's...not how DDOS attacks work. The site, in this case the room or whatever the hell they're called, is either up or down in a DDOS attack. That's it. For those unfamiliar a DDOS attack just mimics a **** ton of users hitting the refresh button at the same time, overloading the webhost with requests that cause the site to crash. Note the end part, "cause the site to crash". Not "causing the site to have lower numbers of users".
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Tell me you don't know what DDOS arracks are by telling me you don't know what DDOS attacks are.
 
You could nitpick and say a DDOS may not crash a site, it will just make accessing a site either very slow or only intermittently available to most people.
 
Oh dear.

DDOS stands for "distributed denial of service".

A denial of service attack is exactly what it describes. You deny the service to other people. In the context of a web site it just means "make the web site unusable in some way". You can do it by making it impossible to connect to the web site or by making the server's responses unreasonably slow.

A couple of techniques that used to be used many years ago but are now fairly easy to mitigate are making lots of connections to the same web server to download a page. You just send the TCP connect request and leave the connection hanging. That could exhaust the available ports on the server (on IPv4) so it can no longer accept requests. Or you could make lots of requests for big files so that the server is too busy servicing your requests to do anything else. You might also exploit a bug in the web server software to crash it.

You might also be able to perform a DOS attack on the DNS servers for the domain and that will stop other people from even being able to find the web server.

A distributed denial of service attack is exactly the same as a denial of service attack except you use an army of computers to perform it instead of just one or two. Typically, the army of computers is a worldwide botnet of home PCs that have been hacked.

I have heard lots of people argue that the Tr*mp stream thing couldn't be a DOS attack because the rest of the web site was OK - it was just the one live stream that went down. That's a spurious argument because Twitter has many thousands of servers all over the World and a DOS attack could just target the one(s) hosting this particular stream.

My money is on the infrastructure just collapsing under the weight of requests for the feed. Something that has just occurred to me and for which I have no evidence is that maybe some Tr*mp supporters decided to stuff the view count by watching the stream on multiple devices. Perhaps that contributed to it.

Whatever, the Twitter infrastructure failed for some reason and it has happened before. This is an epic fail for Musk's company and Tr*mp should be furious, especially as he was one of those laughing at the previous fiasco.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I also think it's been too long since he, let us be honest, steal another idea he can take credit for.

I actually don't think Musk is 100% stupid. I think there's a chance (not a certainty, not even necessary a likelihood, but a non-meaningless chance) that Musk is one of those rare people who is a specific type of "idea" guy.

Like the Ur modern Example, Edison. "Edison was a fraud, he stole and took credit for everything" screams the internet while idolizing Telsa (the person, not the company) despite Telsa being DEEPLY WEIRD.

Here's the thing, and what Edison (who does get credit he doesn't deserve for stuff he didn't invent, nobody @ me) did. An electric lightbulb is an amazing invention. But without a socket to plug it into, a power grid to connect to a power station, and a power station to supply that power it's barely above the level of a Fidget Spinner as to actual practicality.

Edison did not invent the lightbuld and his improvements on the design were not nothing but they weren't THAT much. What Edison did was get an actual practical entire point A to point B system to market.
Something you could honestly call a modern-ish incandescent bulb that worked well enough for SOME use existed as far back as maybe 1791 if you really want to stretch it, certainly by the mid-1850s. But they were invented and they just... sat there doing nothing because there was no system to plug them into or way to practically use them.

Edison started selling his mildly improved design in 1879 and within a few years he had electric lighting system up in public places powered by his power plants by 1910 you could buy an entire Edison branded home electrical system with an onsite power plant, wiring, and lighting THROUGH THE SEARS CATALOG.

Let us be at least someone honest. It's largely the same with electric cars. An electric car is nice. An electric car without a charging network is novelty.

I do think it is somewhat plausible that Musk does have some knack for looking at a pre-existing technology and figuring out a way to kick start it into the next generation of usability. I think, had he not grown too in love with his own mythology and turned into a self feeding narcissistic *******, he might (MIGHT) have been a decent "idea guy" to have around, just don't let him lead or be in charge of anything.
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Edison was only one of many who did that at the time and his DC system was actually the worst of the bunch. The Westinghouse stepped down AC eventually won out so thoroughly that the Edison company (after he lost control) adopted it wholesale.

In fact the only reason Edison's system ever gained traction was because of his usual business tactics of bullying, deception and fraud.

So Edison is actually an apt comparison for Musk, but not in the way you meant it.
 
I found this passage that seems true of maybe a few million American women. It really does not matter who she is.

"I also know that I will never vote for Donald Trump.

*

“My parents used to read The New York Post,” my mother told me recently. “It was left-wing.”

“Yes, the left wing used to be working class,” I reminded her.

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I go to an old friend’s talk. Somebody uses the word “heteropessimism”—a word I don’t know—and I bristle at it, at the cordoned-off elites coining terms about the masses that don’t actually apply to the masses, that the masses wouldn’t use for themselves. This is a crowd of almost entirely white people who’d use Latinx. They roll their eyes at X, at Elon Musk—the only platform where I feel safe telling the truth."
 
well it's not just women who fearfully try to cling to a more nostalgic time in an increasingly unfamiliar world passes them by.

but thank god the right wing is here to stand up for your right use publicly use slurs against minorities
 
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