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Darat said:
I have no problem with collecting the self-identified ethnicity of criminals and victims of crime, but it does seem to me that we (police/CPS etc.) tend to include ethnicity data collection because we have already decided that there is causality. I would rather a much wider range of data be collected.
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The way I heard it, red-heads are bad for rape and pillage and stuff :)
 
volatile said:
Great idea! It's not like anyone ever gets falsely accused of rape! What could go wrong? :rolleyes:
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I know, and I am actually against the death penalty for that very reason.

It was more of a statement of intent, if you will.

Of course, fire off a remark like that on a sceptics board, expect to get called on it.
 
psychictv said:
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We are all ultimately from African (unless there have been some recent developments in anthropology that I have missed). That is true, but not helpful.

We are talking about four different groups of people.

1) People who arrived in Britain from the US after their ancestors were brought from Africa to the US in the latter half of the last Millenium. African-Americans; and there aren't that many of them in Britain.

2) People who arrived in Britain from the Carribbean after their ancestors were brought from Africa to the Carribbean in the latter half of the last Millenium. Afro-Caribbeans.

3) People who arrived in Britain from Africa, mostly in the last 60 years. What I referred to, as a pun, as Afro-Africans. I don't know if they have an 'official' label.

4) People who arrived in Britain from Africa sometime over the course of the last 50,000 years. Whites.
 
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Look, I'm not trying to say that a legacy of slavery causes gang rape, but it's ridiculous to pretend that the U.K. doesn't have a legacy of slavery. And it's even more ridiculous to dismiss discussions of slavery by saying that "We are talking about the United Kingdom. The blacks under discussion would be most likely Afro-Caribbean and Afro-African in origin" considering that black people who ended up in the Caribbean were for the most part enslaved by the British.

And the line about America was particularly confusing considering that the population of black slaves in Jamaica was well established long before there was such a country as America.
 
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This side track started because Parky76 brought up African-Americans who make up a very small proportion of the people in Britain who identify as blacks.

I haven't gone to the census data but wikipedia and here suggest that the largest proportion of people who identify as black in London and the UK are of more recent African origin (rather than more recently from the Carribbean).

Slavery may have something to do with the incidence of gang rape but if you want to argue this then we would need to see some evidence.
 
psychictv said:
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Look, I'm not trying to say that a legacy of slavery causes gang rape, but it's ridiculous to pretend that the U.K. doesn't have a legacy of slavery. And it's even more ridiculous to dismiss discussions of slavery by saying that "We are talking about the United Kingdom. The blacks under discussion would be most likely Afro-Caribbean and Afro-African in origin" considering that black people who ended up in the Caribbean were for the most part enslaved by the British.
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The post you replied to was, I think, largely pointing out that we don't have many African-Americans in the UK. (There are some people who seem to use the term, without thinking what it actually means, to apply to all people of colour, although I'm not saying that's what happened this time.) We also don't have a legacy of segregation. Yes, the Afro-Caribbeans did get there are a result of slavery, but I don't think that is a significant factor in how they are perceived in the UK since it was a lot longer ago than slavery in the USA, and the slaves were not in the UK so there are not the enduring attitudes and persistent reminders that there are in the US. What was more significant is how the blacks got to the UK from the Caribbean in the fifties and sixties, and the jobs they did when they arrived.
 
psychictv said:
Haha, I totally missed that. :blush: It all makes sense now. Carry on.
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My first thought was to ask you whether you had missed that. But I thought it would be rude of me to do so.

Anyway, its good that we are on the same page!
 
Arcade22 said:
Not letting non-Europeans into Europe seems to be a sensible policy.....
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Where in that report does it say these are "non-Europeans"? How far back in history does one need to go to define a European? If someone is a 3rd or 4th generation European black, do they qualify yet as 'European'?

The report, drawn up by a senior detective from the Yard’s Operation Sapphire team, which investigates sex crimes, revealed that eight percent of all gang rape suspects in 2008/09 were white, 32 percent were black, and 24 percent contained members of different ethnicities. The make-up for the rest was unknown......
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36% of these perps were of unknown ethnicity. You seem to be assuming those unknowns were not white. Maybe the people recording the crimes are more liely to note the perp's ethnicity if they are not white.

This could have (and likely does) everything to do with poverty and very little to do with ethnicity.

Your racist conclusions are indeed a fail based on this report alone.
 
Arcade22 said:
Well this was shocking... no wait, it wasn't!
This is something we brain dead racist have known for quite a while now, but don't listen to us who have the answers. :(

And remember, if you're voting anything other than the BNP you're voting the keep the floodgates wide OPEN.
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So by what logic does 24% mixed groups & 36% unknown groups get classified as "non-white"? If your "answers" are as good as your math then you might have a bit of a problem. I do agree with the brain dead part though.
 
skeptigirl said:
36% of these perps were of unknown ethnicity. You seem to be assuming those unknowns were not white. Maybe the people recording the crimes are more liely to note the perp's ethnicity if they are not white.
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The police report is only comparing statistics for whites and blacks it is not looking at the other ethnic groups. The missing 36% would include people of unknown ethnicity as well as people from the other ethnic categories:

White,
Black,
(South) Asian,
Chinese,
Mixed, and
Other.
 
BTW, you realise this is just stats for London don't you, not the UK as a whole? 45% of London is made up of an ethnic minority, and ethnic minorities tend to be located in socially deprived areas of town.

When examining offences recorded in 2008/9 with three or more offenders, four of the Boroughs with the highest number of recorded multiple perpetrator offences also feature in London’s top ten areas of highest social deprivation. These are Lambeth (IMD rank eight), Newham (IMD rank four), Southwark (IMD rank six) and Westminster (IMD rank nine). Of the top three IMD rankings, the Borough of Hackney also features in the top ten Boroughs for multiple perpetrator offences with three or more suspects in 2008/9.
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Was this not the case in socially deprived areas before the Windrush or something? Gang rape stats in 1842 were probably 100% white. Should we have chucked out all the crackers, leaving the UK empty?
 
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parky76 said:
unless someone can find a "crime" gene that blacks possess but whites don't.
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This appears to be Arcade 22's underlying assertion. Racists go straight for their fantasies of genetic inevitability, and skip over the more likely explanations for crime that we learn from social and economic factors.

With him as an example, are we to think that white Swedes are inherently bad at math?


Undesired Walrus said:
Black people in Britain are European.
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And they are more British than the OP, it should be said.
 
Hokulele said:
Of course there is a genetic reason behind gang rape, that nasty Y chromosome. Throw out all the males!
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Who said it was just men that committed gang rape.

In fact I am watching a documentary about a roving band of hot looking, scantily clad, 18 year old Japanese girls going around gang raping poor defenseless, oiled up, hardcut African-American men (who hardly seem to be putting up a fight by the way) and......

Oh wait, that's not a documentary.....


I'll get back to you.
 
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