Mueller Investigation pt5

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Safe-Keeper said:
That is one heck of a claim. Citation seriously needed.
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Did you not read this thread? It's stated with absolute certainty dozens and dozens of times the points on that list are proof of collusion.

Mueller and his team missing them can be the only reason The Trump Crime Family was not charged with collusion. Unless the Mueller/Barr Omission Report conspiracy theories are true.
 
Minoosh said:
I think that's already happened. The special counsel did not exonerate Trump, and Barr let that slip. Maybe he felt he had to, to maintain his own credibility.

Is Trump going to accept the fact that Mueller says Trump was not exonerated? I think it's going to bug him. He can try to lie to himself, but I'm not sure how well that works for him. He's good at lying in general but he doesn't tolerate ambiguity well. He's got to be the most greatest, most innocent person ever. He sheds lawyers like fleas.
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That's not relevant to Trump if you look at his current incessant propaganda lines.

And lying to himself is a given, facts don't matter to his ideas of grandeur. What does matter is he can credibly lie to his base and a good deal more Republicans and they suck it up.
 
Bogative said:
Did you not read this thread? It's stated with absolute certainty dozens and dozens of times the points on that list are proof of collusion.

Mueller and his team missing them can be the only reason The Trump Crime Family was not charged with collusion. Unless the Mueller/Barr Omission Report conspiracy theories are true.
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You're still having issues sorting 'evidence' from 'sufficient evidence to convict in a court of law'.

So is Congressman Stewart in the hearing where he's addressing Chairman Schiff that CSPAN is rerunning right now.
 
Bogative said:
Did you not read this thread? It's stated with absolute certainty dozens and dozens of times the points on that list are proof of collusion.

Mueller and his team missing them can be the only reason The Trump Crime Family was not charged with collusion. Unless the Mueller/Barr Omission Report conspiracy theories are true.
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There is no such charge as collusion.

Do you honestly not realize that?
 
Bogative said:
Did you not read this thread? It's stated with absolute certainty dozens and dozens of times the points on that list are proof of collusion.

Mueller and his team missing them can be the only reason The Trump Crime Family was not charged with collusion. Unless the Mueller/Barr Omission Report conspiracy theories are true.
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Not true. The DOJ doesnt indict a sitting President. That was never going to happen. And remember what Rudy G said. There is no such crime as collusion.

You may not and even Mueller may not define what Manafort, Gates, Kushner, Trump Jr did as criminal, but that doesn't mean it wasn't collusion.

That doesn't mean that Trump Jr. didn't receive an email that said as part of Russia's efforts to elect Trump, they had uncovered dirt on Hillary and they'd like to meet with members of the Trump campaign.

And being the patriotic American, did Trump Jr. call the FBI?
Did he decline the meeting?
Did he not say that was great and arrange that meeting?
Did the campaign manager or his deputy call the FBI?
Did they say "hell no, we're not going to have that kind of meeting"?
Did this meeting take place on the floor below Trump's office in New York?
Did the head of the Trump campaign manager then provide polling data to Kilimnik?

This may not all constitute a criminal offense. But that doesn't mean it was right.
 
jeremyp said:
According to Barr, Mueller said he found no evidence of collusion, not insufficient evidence to convict.
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That's not even what Barr said.
[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
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Minoosh said:
There is no such charge as collusion.
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That's it! The only reason Mueller did not charge Trump or any other US person with collusion is because there is no such crime as collusion! That Robert Mueller, his 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents were just to dumb to figure it out on their own. It's a shame they were not reading this thread.
 
jeremyp said:
According to Barr, Mueller said he found no evidence of collusion, not insufficient evidence to convict.

Maybe Barr was lying, but I don't think so given his candour on the topic of obstruction.
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Well we know that's bull **** because there is evidence in the public sphere. Barr has to be ignoring all the people in Trump's campaign and inner circle and giving some technically stretched verbiage that Trump stayed one layer removed. But even then, what about the letter Trump wrote telling Jr to lie and say the Tower meeting was about adoptions?
 
newyorkguy said:
Yet when someone (me) had previously asked you to explain a comment you made, you answered:
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I'm sorry if you feel discriminated against, but you can search my posts for "Guccifer", I think I wrote quite a bit about that topic in maybe 2017. That's as I said far in the past when it was already obvious that there was no there there in the Russiagate CT. Which should by now be obvious to everybody.

WilliamSeger on the other hand seemed to question something in an article I brought into this thread, so current events and relevant to respond to for me. Apparently I misunderstood and what he really meant is that due process doesn't apply here and he wants WikiLeaks to publish the whole thing unredacted for even Vladimir Putin to see.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Utter ********. Unlike any Truther, she has been very accurately reporting what is known, not making unsubstantiated claims, and you and I both know why it was -- and still is! -- highly suspicious stuff.
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Dammit! If only Mueller, his team of 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents would have had access to Maddow's show, impeachment proceedings would be happening today.

I will forward archives of her show to the FBI right now, it may not be too late.
 
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Bogative said:
Dammit! If only Mueller, his team of 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents would have had access to Maddow's show, impeachment proceedings would be happening right now.

I will forward archives of her show to the FBI right now, it may not be too late.
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Ha ha! That joke didn't work the first time, but the second go-round really seemed to click!

It only gets better with repetition. I'd stick with it.
 
Bogative said:
Dammit! If only Mueller, his team of 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents would have had access to Maddow's show, impeachment proceedings would be happening today.

I will forward archives of her show to the FBI right now, it may not be too late.
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You're in denial; the facts Maddow has been talking about will already be in the report, because they're public knowledge to anyone paying attention.
 
Childlike Empress said:
You can read what he said (yesterday) here which is exactly what Caitlin wrote in the snippet I quoted and linked to in the original article.
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I see nothing in there explaining why Barr can't release the unredacted report to the Congressional oversight committees right now.


Next time try to post something relevant, please.
 
Cabbage said:
I see nothing in there explaining why Barr can't release the unredacted report to the Congressional oversight committees right now.


Next time try to post something relevant, please.
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Pay attention next time before you let your fingers type about something I already said I misunderstood. I thought Seger was doubting Johnstone's words. There's enough noise already here.
 
WilliamSeger said:
What I'm reading is that it would take a court ruling, but there's no good reason it shouldn't be granted in a case like this. A court could even approve allowing it to become public, but that's quite a bit more scrappy.
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It was granted in Watergate. All the GJ testimony was released to Congress
 
Bogative said:
Dammit! If only Mueller, his team of 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents would have had access to Maddow's show, impeachment proceedings would be happening today.

I will forward archives of her show to the FBI right now, it may not be too late.
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What do you suppose this is about?

CNN: Investigations will continue despite submission of the Mueller report
As Robert Mueller exits stage left, the Justice Department will continue to pursue a handful of investigations -- and potentially more prosecutions -- that began with or were bolstered by the special counsel's work. And a significant group of them still focus around President Donald Trump.

The still-live investigations range from an expansive probe into the Trump inaugural committee, to various investigations relating to former top Trump campaign officials Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, to tips that stemmed from Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen's experience with Trump and his family's company. It's possible other investigations are being conducted quietly, as well.

Attorney General William Barr confirmed as much Sunday in his letter to Congress about the end of Mueller's work. "During the course of his investigation, the Special Counsel also referred several matters to other offices for further action," Barr writes -- then notes that some referred matters are "ongoing."
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Just fake news? :rolleyes:
 
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