Mueller Investigation pt5

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BobTheCoward said:
Yes, you are still lacking evidence that has this circumstantial evidence point to collusion rather than failed collusion or actors working for mutual benefit independently.
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Wrong. The thing we don't have is Trump himself's explicit awareness before or shortly after this meeting. But if you look at his speeches after the the delivery of the e-mail and before the meeting it sure seems that Trump knew that meeting was going to happen.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Yes, you are still lacking evidence that has this circumstantial evidence point to collusion rather than failed collusion or actors working for mutual benefit independently.
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I don't know what you are ******* missing but it is critical to understanding what is going on here.

It's not about circumstantial evidence that doesn't really support the charge of Trump's campaign conspiring with the Russians. That evidence clearly supports the accusations. All we have here is 'not enough evidence to go forward with criminal charges'.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't know what you are ******* missing but it is critical to understanding what is going on here.

It's not about circumstantial evidence that doesn't really support the charge of Trump's campaign conspiring with the Russians. That evidence clearly supports the accusations. All we have here is 'not enough evidence to go forward with criminal charges'.
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You literally do not have evidence that supports collusion over failure to link up the two parties.

This isn't about charges. You do not have the evidence to convince a skeptical person that your claims are true.
 
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acbytesla said:
Wrong. The thing we don't have is Trump himself's explicit awareness before or shortly after this meeting. But if you look at his speeches after the the delivery of the e-mail and before the meeting it sure seems that Trump knew that meeting was going to happen.
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Do you mean the meeting where we dont have evidence that they coordinated during it? It certainly does look like he knew about that meeting ahead of time.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I predict you and some others will continue to believe that despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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I predict calling "anti-semitism" will be wrong.


First off, are you claiming the Russians didn't interfere with the election?
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Who interferes more with U.S. elections?


a) Mossad/Israel

b ) Russians

c) CIA

d) The Little Rascals


Are you buying snowflake Trump's POV that Putin didn't influence the election? You know because of his pathologic narcissism Trump can't admit he didn't win without help, right? Just like he's incapable of admitting his inauguration crowd wasn't bigger than Obama's.
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you are trying to move the goalpost from "no Russian meddling" to "other actors meddle, too".
By that logic, there is nothing wrong with people crossing the Southern border illegally, since other people come illegally into the US by other means, too.
 
cmikes said:
Huh, even lefty organizations like Politifact and CNN are Trump propaganda now? They both had stories about how lawyers on Mueller's team donated the max amount to Hillary's campaign. How far does this conspiracy spread, in your view?

Also, just because they supported Hillary to the max amount allowed by law doesn't mean that they didn't do their jobs. I'm just making the point that it makes the current conspiracy claim that Mueller actually did find evidence of collusion and chose to cover it up very unlikely. After all, if he was behind a cover up for whatever insane reason, why would the Hillary supporters on his staff go along with it?
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There's no reason to question Mueller's diligence or integrity at this point. The "current conspiracy claim" that I'm reading most often is based on the fact that, while Trump says Mueller exonerated him, Mueller says he didn't, but Barr apparently thinks that neither we nor Congress need to know any details except those approved by him. All we know so far is that, despite all the sleazy and unexplained behavior that we already know about, Mueller didn't find "beyond reasonable doubt" evidence of conspiracy in Russian election-influencing crimes. Now, we're being told that's good enough to not only demand an apology but penance for being suspicious of these fine gentlemen -- many of whom are in or on their way to jail. Then, of course, we're supposed to just forget about all that sleazy, unethical and still unexplained **** and prepare for Trump's second term? Nope.
 
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1111709859374862336

BREAKING: AG Barr sends letter to congressional leaders to update them on the process of releasing more details from the Mueller report. http://NBCNews.com

AG Barr: With assistance from the Special Counsel Mueller on redactions for a version of the Mueller report to be released, progress is such that I anticipate we will be in position to release the redacted report "by mid-April, if not sooner."

AG Barr: President Trump would have right to assert privilege on "certain parts of the report," but based on his public statements, there are no plans to submit the report to the White House for privilege review.

In response to AG Barr's letter, House Judiciary Chairman Nadler says that "Congress requires the full and complete Mueller report, without redactions" by April 2, that "that deadline still stands," and he believes "it is critical" AG Barr testify before Congress immediately.

NEW: “I look forward to hearing from Attorney General Barr on May 1st,” Senate Judiciary Cmte. Chairman Graham says after Barr indicated in a letter today that he is available to testify to the cmte. on that date.
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There are more tweets than quoted in the thread. Documents embedded in tweets.
 
Caitlin strikes again: There Are Still Democrats Praying For A Deus Ex Mueller Ending

Caitlin Johnstone said:
Well it certainly hasn’t taken long for the establishment narrative control machine to pace Russiagaters into a new arsenal of talking points. Now if you try to speak online about how Attorney General William Barr’s letter says that the Mueller report contains the explicit phrase “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” or mainstream media reports that there are no sealed indictments and that no new indictments have been recommended, you’ll be inundated with comments telling you “We don’t know what’s in the report! You don’t know! No one knows!”

“Mueller reported Trump did not collude with Russia to influence our elections,” Hawaii Representative Tulsi Gabbard stated on Twitter yesterday. “Now we must put aside partisan interests, move forward, and work to unite our country to deal with the serious challenges we face.”

Peruse the comments on Gabbard’s post and you’ll see some 20 thousand furious responses all more or less saying the same thing: we don’t know what Mueller reported. It’s a complete and total mystery. There could be anything in there. For all we know Barr lied about the whole thing. [...]
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Of course Tulsi is completely right and you should get your heads out of the sand, click on the link in my signature and donate at least a dollar to her so she will get together the 64K single donations she needs to participate in the primary debates and can bring some topics of substance to a larger audience that hungers for some seriousness. If you continue to play clown show, Trump will out-clown you again with ease.
 
acbytesla said:
It is pretty amusing listening to these Trump supporters gloating because Trump wasn't indicted which was never really on the table any way. This is the bar for their candidate. Well at least he wasn't indicted.

It's as if they forgot
  • the emails to his son which said that Russia was trying to get Trump elected.
  • how excited Trump's son was about that news.
  • that his son, son in law, campaign and deputy campaign manager met with those Russians.
  • that Trump requested that Russia hack her emails
  • that very day Russia attacked DNC SERVERS
  • and that the head of the Trump campain provided polling data to a Russian agent.
  • that Don Jr, lied about all this.
  • that Jared Kushner lied about this.
  • that Trump Deputy Campaign Manager Rick Gates lied about this
  • that Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort lied about this.
  • And President Trump lied about this

And the Democrats are supposed to be guilty for wanting this investigated? Get Serious.

Yea, no collusion. :rolleyes:
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I forwarded a link to this post to the FBI and DOJ since Mueller, 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents missed all of this information in their nearly 2 year long investigation.

Now that they have this information, I would expect indictments and arrests within a few days– impeachment within a month.
 
acbytesla said:
  • the emails to his son which said that Russia was trying to get Trump elected.
  • how excited Trump's son was about that news.
  • that his son, son in law, campaign and deputy campaign manager met with those Russians.
  • that Trump requested that Russia hack her emails
  • that very day Russia attacked DNC SERVERS
  • and that the head of the Trump campain provided polling data to a Russian agent.
  • that Don Jr, lied about all this.
  • that Jared Kushner lied about this.
  • that Trump Deputy Campaign Manager Rick Gates lied about this
  • that Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort lied about this.
  • And President Trump lied about this.
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It would appear to me that all the statements above have been shown to be completely true. If anyone wants to dispute them I think they should be obligated to specify which statements are false and to explain why they think that. For anyone to imply they are false -- without explanation -- would appear to me to be mere trolling, muddying up the waters so to speak, and not discussing.

Okay, someone wants to believe they are not true. Wants to believe they are untrue very badly. I get that. But on what basis? What is the basis for saying those statements are not only not true and but are unknown to investigators or anyone connected to the Trump investigation?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
By that logic, there is nothing wrong with people crossing the Southern border illegally, since other people come illegally into the US by other means, too.
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No, you misunderstand. The "butbut others do it too!!!1" defense is only meant to deflect criticism against Trump so that neither he nor his disciples ever need to take responsibility for anything. The other side is of course to own up to each and every wrongdoing and mistake. Get with the program.


Bogative said:
Mueller, 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents missed all of this information in their nearly 2 year long investigation.
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That is one heck of a claim. Citation seriously needed.
 
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