Mueller Investigation pt5

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Childlike Empress said:
Because people like Earthborn think it's a euphemisnm for something else and include this into their conspiracy theories.
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I don't think it is a euphemism for something else. I don't claim he wasn't Putin's cook.

But when some people start to suffer from weird poisonings shortly after they had dinner together with Putin, I don't think being Putin's cook is as innocent a job as you want to make it look.
 
cmikes said:
Huh, even lefty organizations like Politifact and CNN are Trump propaganda now? They both had stories about how lawyers on Mueller's team donated the max amount to Hillary's campaign.
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This is how partisan hackery works.

You take something relatively innocuous like “some of the people on the Mueller team donated to the Hillary campaign” and turn it into “hand-picked ‘I’m With Her’ lawyers” implying that they were chosen specially because they supported Hillary and are probably unethical because of it.

Now, partisan hackery is fine. We certainly get plenty of it on this forum. But you can’t lie about it when you engage in it so blatantly and still excpect people to take you seriously.
 
Given that Trump's reputation is already lower than that of a sewer pipe in summer, what possible damage to reputation could there be in the report?
 
Bogative said:
I forwarded a link to this post to the FBI and DOJ since Mueller, 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents missed all of this information in their nearly 2 year long investigation.

Now that they have this information, I would expect indictments and arrests within a few days– impeachment within a month.
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Mueller had a narrow task: to determine whether there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt that crimes had been committed and could be successfully prosecuted. All of the activities listed are matters of public record, and the fact that nobody is going to jail doesn't excuse Trump actively promoting Russian interests against the United States.

And here's food for thought:
Collusion or not, President Trump and the Russians are thick as thieves.

What I mean is that for more than three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to the Russian Mafia held the deeds to, lived in or ran criminal operations out of Trump Tower in New York or other Trump properties. I mean that many of them used Trump-branded real estate to launder vast amounts of money by buying multimillion-dollar condos through anonymous shell companies. I mean that the Bayrock Group, a real estate development company that was based in Trump Tower and had ties to the Kremlin, came up with a new business model to franchise Trump condos after he lost billions of dollars in his Atlantic City casino developments, and helped make him rich again.

Yet Trump’s relationship with the Russian underworld, a de facto state actor, has barely surfaced in the uproar surrounding Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign. That oversight may be explained in part by journalist Michael Kinsley’s long-held maxim: The real scandal isn’t what’s illegal; it’s what is legal.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...d346f0ec94f_story.html?utm_term=.a8c3bf8cda34
 
newyorkguy said:
It would appear to me that all the statements above have been shown to be completely true. If anyone wants to dispute them I think they should be obligated to specify which statements are false and to explain why they think that. For anyone to imply they are false -- without explanation -- would appear to me to be mere trolling, muddying up the waters so to speak, and not discussing.

Okay, someone wants to believe they are not true. Wants to believe they are untrue very badly. I get that. But on what basis? What is the basis for saying those statements are not only not true and but are unknown to investigators or anyone connected to the Trump investigation?
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Dude, it's 2019. Saint Mueller came with no presents. Many months ago I might have picked on the central point in that list and asked you how acbytesla knows that Russia hacked the DNC servers, but by now I just tell you to leave the cult. It's simply embarrassing.
 
There's a plethora of information out there that Russian intelligence was behind the DNC hacking. This is from a year ago.
On Thursday, a report from the Daily Beast alleged that the Guccifer 2.0 hacking persona—famous for leaking data stolen from the Democratic National Committee in 2016—has been linked to a GRU Russian intelligence agent. What appears to have given Guccifer away: The hacker once failed activate a VPN before logging into a social media account. This slip eventually allowed US investigators to link the persona to a Moscow IP address. In fact, they traced it directly to GRU headquarters. Link
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Show us how you knock this down, please. (But why do you want to?)
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Given that Trump's reputation is already lower than that of a sewer pipe in summer, what possible damage to reputation could there be in the report?
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Neither Trump, his closest circle, nor his followers seem to have any shame, so I expect a full, unredacted report mid-April :thumbsup: .
 
newyorkguy said:
There's a plethora of information out there that Russian intelligence was behind the DNC hacking. This is from a year ago.


Show us how you knock this down, please. (But why do you want to?)
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Predicted response: "butbutbutt the usa hacks peoples too!11"
 
newyorkguy said:
There's a plethora of information out there that Russian intelligence was behind the DNC hacking. This is from a year ago.


Show us how you knock this down, please. (But why do you want to?)
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Give it up NY. Trump supporters do not wish to entertain that Trump ever did anything wrong. Even if it wasn't criminal.

It should be noted that while Trump and Barr said Mueller exonerated him, Mueller has denied this.

It's also interesting that they want to redact portions that are embarrassing to Trump and prevent even Congress from seeing that.
 
All the gloating trumpers would have a lot more credibility of they were calling for a full release of the Mueller report, ASAP, so that they could be fully vindicated. Instead, we're being insulted for being suspicious of sleazy people doing sleazy things and demanding an investigation, and told that "no more indictments" is all we need to know.

But what we're seeing is no surprise. Since Trump's personal philosophy is that "winning" is all that matters, we should expect to see that attitude reflected in trumpism and the Party of Trump. Trump's a pathological liar and a grifter and a turd of a human being, and he has surrounded himself with the same kind of people, but he's winning against the libs. That's what has become of the "conservative movement," and it must be burned to the ground.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I don't want to, as I said. It's over.

You shouldn't build your CT on crap that starts with "alleged that .. [x] .. has been linked to", though.
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Seriously, how is it over? Mueller's investigation is over, but its not over. Not by a long shot. According to Mueller Barr misrepresented his report. He did not exonerate Trump or Don Jr or the Trump campaign. Let's see the full report. Not some 4 page letter written by a Trump toady or some redacted version designed to edit out the truth.

If there is nothing to hide, why are they hiding it?
 
Bogative said:
I forwarded a link to this post to the FBI and DOJ since Mueller, 19 prosecutors and 40 FBI agents missed all of this information in their nearly 2 year long investigation.

Now that they have this information, I would expect indictments and arrests within a few days– impeachment within a month.
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Do you seriously believe everything on that list is fake news? :rolleyes:
 
Bob001 said:
Mueller had a narrow task: to determine whether there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt that crimes had been committed and could be successfully prosecuted. All of the activities listed are matters of public record, and the fact that nobody is going to jail doesn't excuse Trump actively promoting Russian interests against the United States.

And here's food for thought:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...d346f0ec94f_story.html?utm_term=.a8c3bf8cda34
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This seems to be the bottom line:
Collusion or not, President Trump and the Russians are thick as thieves.
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Some of the stuff Trump's 'people' did was illegal like lying repeatedly about not contacting Russians. And some of them were charged and either pled or were found guilty. Trump supporters seem to think that because there's nothing on paper on Trump that there were no laws broken. Essentially Trump escaped leaving a trail.

This is not an exoneration by a long shot.


And then there are all the financial crimes we have yet to learn the details of.
 
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