Mueller Investigation pt5

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Ziggurat said:
A theory that there was a conspiracy is a conspiracy theory. I know, mind blown, right? :rolleyes:
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No, that's not what "conspiracy theory" means in common usage. A "conspiracy theory" consists of unjustified speculations leading to conclusions that are held religiously by conspiracy theorists, even if they are completely contradicted by credible evidence. To make that claim, I'm afraid you'll need to wait until exculpatory evidence in the Mueller report shoots down any particular theories and you see people nonetheless clinging to those theories. So far, you're just espousing no-conspiracy theory.
 
Ziggurat said:
And what do you do if you're suspicious? Investigate, right?

Well, the investigation happened. And it didn't turn up any Russian collusion.
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No, you DON'T know what the investigation turned up. Only what was written in a letter by a heavily partisan toadie.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Barr might not be lying, but he is cherry picking.
For example, we KNOW that there is at least one sealed indictment.
We also know that Manafort colluded.
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Ignore this if it has been addressed in the two pages I haven't read yet. The sealed indictments(s) we know about are from other investigations aren't they?
 
bytewizard said:
No, if the report clears Trump and associates, then tune into mainstream media and it won't take long... I can see the chyron on MSNBC..."Do the Russians have something on Mueller"...
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Do Trump's former campaign manager, campaign adviser, personal lawyer, 2 campaign aides, and national security adviser count as his associates?
 
Craig4 said:
Screw that. Uranium One justifies anything. After that, no rule of honesty, decency or fairness need be observed. The Dems have the means to do the same thing to Trump now. They should do it.
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I'm not saying hold off for the sake of decency - I'm talking about the best response strategically. I don't know what that would be, but I want it to be well thought out.
 
acbytesla said:
It's a joke. Buying a hammer doesn't necessarily mean you're going to us it to pound nails does it?



Hmmm, I'm wondering what Russians that are meddling in US elections would use detailed polling data for? It's a mystery.
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Could you spell out your narrative, please?.

Here's how to it reads to me: Hillary spends millions on the best data and the best modeling, and loses the election by a few tens of thousands of votes in key regions.

Putin, spending only a few thousand dollars on trolls, and armed with nothing better than Donald Trump's polling data, precision-targets exactly the right voters at exactly the right time to paddle Clinton's ass and install the Trumpster.

Is that about right?
 
theprestige said:
Could you spell out your narrative, please?.

Here's how to it reads to me: Hillary spends millions on the best data and the best modeling, and loses the election by a few tens of thousands of votes in key regions.

Putin, spending only a few thousand dollars on trolls, and armed with nothing better than Donald Trump's polling data, precision-targets exactly the right voters at exactly the right time to paddle Clinton's ass and install the Trumpster.

Is that about right?
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Among other things, I'm curious where you've found Putin's budget numbers.
 
theprestige said:
Could you spell out your narrative, please?.

Here's how to it reads to me: Hillary spends millions on the best data and the best modeling, and loses the election by a few tens of thousands of votes in key regions.

Putin, spending only a few thousand dollars on trolls, and armed with nothing better than Donald Trump's polling data, precision-targets exactly the right voters at exactly the right time to paddle Clinton's ass and install the Trumpster.

Is that about right?
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I'd bet Putin spent a hell of a lot more than that.

What we have is an incomplete picture. But here's what we do know.

We KNOW for a FACT that Russia was meddling in the election.
We also KNOW for a FACT they reached out the Trump campaign.
We KNOW that members of the Trump campain were happy to receive that help.
We KNOW that high level members of the Trump campaign met with Russian agents to discuss how Russia could help.
We KNOW they discussed sanctions.
We KNOW that the Trump Campaign Manager then shared detailed polling data.
We KNOW that all these people LIED about it.
And we KNOW that Trump has been trying to obstruct the investigation since it began.

Now maybe it went a little or a lot further than this. We don't know. We also KNOW that Trump's AG has said There was no collusion and no obstruction because there is not enough proof of the underlying crime.

Do you dispute ANY of this?
 
theprestige said:
Could you spell out your narrative, please?.

Here's how to it reads to me: Hillary spends millions on the best data and the best modeling, and loses the election by a few tens of thousands of votes in key regions.

Putin, spending only a few thousand dollars on trolls, and armed with nothing better than Donald Trump's polling data, precision-targets exactly the right voters at exactly the right time to paddle Clinton's ass and install the Trumpster.

Is that about right?
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Not even close. You omit the key Russian impact -- the drip drip of the emails via wikileaks that dominated the news cycle during the last few weeks.

I suspect that "a few thousand" is sourced from your vivid imagination, but no matter the cost, the impact of the troll farms pales next to wikileaks.
 
Bogative said:
The DOJ is going to be extremely careful about not letting classified information being disseminated to who is not supposed to be, they're not the Clinton State Department after all.
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Yeah, I just saw the list of approved parties:

Saudi Princes
Saudi Princes' Friends
Russian Ambassadors
Fat Guy at Mar A Lago
Ivanka's Father-in-Law
 
Maxine waters announced Deutsche bank is fully cooperating today. Could they be the secret appeal to the supreme Court?
 
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