Mueller Investigation pt5

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I would have thought that the memo Barr wrote criticizing the Mueller investigation should have been enough for him recuse himself from decisions regarding that investigation. It hardly showed an open mind.

I have not heard that brought up, which is surprising.
 
acbytesla said:
This is a perfect example of either being disingenuously obtuse or being stupid. Which is it?

Really? Not a clue? Somebody hands you a hammer. I bet you have a clue what that is for, don't you? No what would you do with detailed polling information? Hmmm, let me think.
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For a typical hammer, there are two opposite purposes.

Polling data similarly can be used if you want to affect an election, but also if you want to predict the outcome of an election.
 
johnny karate said:
That kind of speculation is reserved solely for theorizing why Clinton wasn't prosecuted, in which case it's just good old-fashioned critical thinking.

Speculation about the suspicious behavior of the numerous criminals in Trump's inner circle is just wacky conspiracy theory nonsense.
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It's a joke. Buying a hammer doesn't necessarily mean you're going to us it to pound nails does it?

Hmmm, I'm wondering what Russians that are meddling in US elections would use detailed polling data for? It's a mystery.
 
acbytesla said:
It's a joke. Buying a hammer doesn't necessarily mean you're going to us it to pound nails does it?
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No, you could also use it to pry up nails.

Hmmm, I'm wondering what Russians that are meddling in US elections would use detailed polling data for? It's a mystery.
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The press uses detailed polling data too. What do they use it for?
 
Ziggurat said:
No, you could also use it to pry up nails.

The press uses detailed polling data too. What do they use it for?
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I didn't know this Russian oligarch was part of the press? That's right, he wasn't.

Your argument is absurd, desperate and disingenuous. "Gee nothing about this is wrong, because Paul Manafort and Trump certainly would never do something wrong." Let's find any possible explanation and say "that's it".
 
acbytesla said:
I didn't know this Russian oligarch was part of the press?
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Did I claim he was? No, I did not. Way to miss the point.

Your argument is absurd, desperate and disingenuous. "Gee nothing about this is wrong, because Paul Manafort and Trump certainly would never do something wrong." Let's find any possible explanation and say "that's it".
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Nope, that's not my argument at all. Rather, you need to actually specify what he did wrong, and show that it was wrong. You can't merely play suggestive, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, does your wife like cameras? games. Which is all you've got so far. That doesn't preclude the possibility that you might get more later, but it's not an auspicious start.
 
WilliamSeger said:
So far, anyway, I'm only disappointed in Barr's letter. Instead of getting clarity on what Mueller found and didn't find that might dispel justifiable suspicions, we're being told that nobody is getting indicted so just forget about it. Oh, we're also being told that there never were any justifiable suspicions in the first place, so anybody who said that is an enemy of the people, and Trump will be looking into that, #MAGA.
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You might enjoy this article, then. It's the most correct analysis I've read on the subject:

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Beelzebuddy said:
You might enjoy this article, then. It's the most correct analysis I've read on the subject:

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Yeah, pretty much this. The media reporting that Trump is "exonerated" by this report baffles me.

Steve said:
Barr's letter certainly has livened up the posting in this thread!
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I expect certain Trump disciples who went AWOL after the midterms might also summon up the courage to return, if they haven't already.
 
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Dr. Keith said:
I don't think it is pedantic to point out that "did not establish" is not the same as "no evidence of" in this discussion.
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The actual quote from Barr's letter is:

T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities
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A very very specific conclusion, which leaves open many questions:

Who were "members of the Trump Campaign"? Does it include those without official campaign posts?

It limits itself to "Russian government"; what about collusion with Wikleaks, or Russian oligarchs not officially part of the Russian government.

"in its election interference activities"; does not rule out money-laundering, or doing deals on sanctions.
 
plague311 said:
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Hell of a W. As TBD would say, "Trump 2020, at least we didn't collude with the Russians!"
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Toontown said:
And likewise, I won't trust anyone you ever vote for until everything they say and do is being recorded. They are all deeply suspect people who require constant surveillance.
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Ziggurat said:
This is silly. You don't even know if I vote, let alone who I vote for.
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My gut is smarter than most peoples' brains.

Think before you ridicule. A guy can get elected president saying stuff like that. And did.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I would have thought that the memo Barr wrote criticizing the Mueller investigation should have been enough for him recuse himself from decisions regarding that investigation. It hardly showed an open mind. I have not heard that brought up, which is surprising.
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That's a good point except... Who would bring that issue up, Democrats? They'll immediately be attacked, probably viciously by Trump. Not only that, Trump has put Washington on notice he will try and politicize all of this. He's already threatening to "go after" people who enabled the Mueller investigation.
 
Ziggurat said:
Did I claim he was? No, I did not. Way to miss the point.



Nope, that's not my argument at all. Rather, you need to actually specify what he did wrong, and show that it was wrong. You can't merely play suggestive, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, does your wife like cameras? games. Which is all you've got so far. That doesn't preclude the possibility that you might get more later, but it's not an auspicious start.
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Now we're playing games. I grant you buying a shovel and an axe and plastic bags in itself isn't illegal. And neither is giving someone detailed polling data. There's maybe just enough doubt to prevent an indictment or conviction.

But let's not act like it's doesn't warrant heavy suspicion. Which is what you are doing.
 
Aber said:
The actual quote from Barr's letter is:



A very very specific conclusion, which leaves open many questions:

Who were "members of the Trump Campaign"? Does it include those without official campaign posts?

It limits itself to "Russian government"; what about collusion with Wikleaks, or Russian oligarchs not officially part of the Russian government.

"in its election interference activities"; does not rule out money-laundering, or doing deals on sanctions.
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You'll also note the "[T]" in "[T]he". Indicating the letter or merely its capitalization was not part of the original text. While the former seems unlikely the latter tends to indicate part of the original sentence in the report is missing from the quote in the summary.
 
acbytesla said:
Now we're playing games. I grant you buying a shovel and an axe and plastic bags in itself isn't illegal. And neither is giving someone detailed polling data. There's maybe just enough doubt to prevent an indictment or conviction.

But let's not act like it's doesn't warrant heavy suspicion. Which is what you are doing.
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And what do you do if you're suspicious? Investigate, right?

Well, the investigation happened. And it didn't turn up any Russian collusion.
 
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