Mueller Investigation pt5

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https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1101952069127360512

Trump tells CPAC: when he called on Russia to get Clinton's emails he was being “sarcastic.” (h/t @kenvogel)

@KatyTurNBC tweets her 2016 interview with candidate Trump showing he was deadly serious��
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https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1101909320730664963

Here is the full exchange I had with Trump after he called for Russia to find Clinton’s missing emails on July 27, 2016:
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Quotes embedded in second tweet.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
You should try not to see this as a partisan issue, and if you want to understand what Mariotti's position is on any particular matter you'd do better to search for what he's said about it rather than making assumptions based on what "side" you imagine him to belong to.
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Well said.
 
Mojo said:
You think that Trump having no idea what was going on in his own administration isn’t plausible?
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I wonder if he will actually use that as part of his defense. "I was such an incompetent President that I had no idea this was going on!"
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1101952069127360512



https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1101909320730664963



Quotes embedded in second tweet.
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I have always thought that the way he invited Russia to look for Hillary's emails could easily be passed off as a joke, whether or not he really intended to encourage them to do so. The way he said it made denials look plausible enough for doubt.

But I've never seen that tweet by Katy Tur. That puts things in a whole different light, where his denial is not longer reasonable by any standard.

Thanks.
 
phiwum said:
I have always thought that the way he invited Russia to look for Hillary's emails could easily be passed off as a joke, whether or not he really intended to encourage them to do so. The way he said it made denials look plausible enough for doubt.

But I've never seen that tweet by Katy Tur. That puts things in a whole different light, where his denial is not longer reasonable by any standard.

Thanks.
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There's footage: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1101953516694851594

Trump now claims it was just a "joke" when he asked Russian hackers to attack Hillary Clinton. Watch the footage side-by-side and judge for yourself. #gaslighting
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Trump Tweets

After more than two years of Presidential Harassment, the only things that have been proven is that Democrats and other broke the law. The hostile Cohen testimony, given by a liar to reduce his prison time, proved no Collusion! His just written book manuscript showed what he.....

...said was a total lie, but Fake Media won’t show it. I am an innocent man being persecuted by some very bad, conflicted & corrupt people in a Witch Hunt that is illegal & should never have been allowed to start - And only because I won the Election! Despite this, great success!
 
phiwum said:
I have always thought that the way he invited Russia to look for Hillary's emails could easily be passed off as a joke, whether or not he really intended to encourage them to do so. The way he said it made denials look plausible enough for doubt.

But I've never seen that tweet by Katy Tur. That puts things in a whole different light, where his denial is not longer reasonable by any standard.

Thanks.
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There is the other stuff that is now in the public domain:

Apr 19 DCLeaks.com registered
May 3 Trump becomes presumptive nominee
June 3 Goldstone contacts Trump Jr. to setup meeting which promises to discuss Clinton
June 7 17:16 Don Jr. confirms meeting w/ Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya
June 7 21:13 Trump Sr promises press conf the next week with Clinton dirt
June 8 Trump posts link to DCLeaks
July 27 Trump publicly asks for Clinton's emails to be hacked - After already being offered other information from hacking

Trump's campaign already knew about Russian attempts to get data at the time that Trump publicly asked for more. There is no plausible deniability about that being a joke.
 
smartcooky said:
Ever heard of King Henry II of England, and Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury?

After Henry II uttered the words "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?", four of his knights promptly travelled from Normandy to Canterbury and murdered Becket. This was probably the first historical recorded instance of political "plausible deniability".
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Of course, I get that. But was Trump afraid of being recorded or overheard? That only leaves not trusting Cohen to keep quiet.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
You also said "If it wasn't the party line he would have referred to conspiracy and stop repeating the collusion nonsense."

Nope: https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...er-trump-obstruction-of-justice-russia-216532

You should try not to see this as a partisan issue, and if you want to understand what Mariotti's position is on any particular matter you'd do better to search for what he's said about it rather than making assumptions based on what "side" you imagine him to belong to.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. I posted my impression and said why: he is still using the no law against collusion long past when it was clarified the law uses the term conspiracy.

As far as the chicken and egg here, it was the comments that gave me the impression, not the other way around.
 
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Trump Tweets

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“Look how they’re acting now and how we act when we’re in the majority. What the Democrats are doing is an abuse of power. They couldn’t find anything...they took a Fake Dossier & couldn’t find any Collusion. Now they have a fake witness in Cohen.” Congressman Mark Green, (R-TN).
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

trump tweets

“Look how they’re acting now and how we act when we’re in the majority. What the Democrats are doing is an abuse of power. They couldn’t find anything...they took a Fake Dossier & couldn’t find any Collusion. Now they have a fake witness in Cohen.” Congressman Mark Green, (R-TN).
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Good boy! GOOD BOY! Wanna dog-biscuit?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
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That you were wrong when you claimed that Mariotti was a GOP mouthpiece, and that you were wrong that he believes that impeachment is a bad approach.

It's okay to just say "okay, I was wrong".

I posted my impression and said why: he is still using the no law against collusion long past when it was clarified the law uses the term conspiracy.
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You seem to think the article is about something other than what it's actually about.

As far as the chicken and egg here, it was the comments that gave me the impression, not the other way around.
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The problem is that you formed an "impression" from him saying something unrelated to impeachment and then learning he was a Democrat, rather than actually bothering to learn what he actually thought before attributing viewpoints to him. Surely you can understand why that's not very good from a critical thinking perspective?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
That you were wrong when you claimed that Mariotti was a GOP mouthpiece, and that you were wrong that he believes that impeachment is a bad approach.

It's okay to just say "okay, I was wrong".



You seem to think the article is about something other than what it's actually about.



The problem is that you formed an "impression" from him saying something unrelated to impeachment and then learning he was a Democrat, rather than actually bothering to learn what he actually thought before attributing viewpoints to him. Surely you can understand why that's not very good from a critical thinking perspective?
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I gave my opinion. I'm sorry that it disagrees with yours.
 
acbytesla said:
And members of the Trump campaign did more than talk to Russians, they met with Russians for the express purpose to obtain dirt on Hillary Clinton. That alone is an act of conspiracy.
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The most important lesson to be learned from this is, next time, know to use campaign and political party funds to hire a law firm to pay a muckraking organization to hire a former foreign spy to get opposition research from the Russians rather than going directly to the source and everything will be hunky-dory. ******* amateurs.
 
Bogative said:
The most important lesson to be learned from this is, next time, know to use campaign and political party funds to hire a law firm to pay a muckraking organization to hire a former foreign spy to get opposition research from the Russians rather than going directly to the source and everything will be hunky-dory. ******* amateurs.
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You're deliberately missing the plot: The Russians approached Trump Jr. to arrange a quid pro quo trade. Stop kidding yourself.
 
Bogative said:
The most important lesson to be learned from this is, next time, know to use campaign and political party funds to hire a law firm to pay a muckraking organization to hire a former foreign spy to get opposition research from the Russians rather than going directly to the source and everything will be hunky-dory. ******* amateurs.
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Unironically, yes. And document it all. They do that for a reason, and the reason is "to not commit multiple felonies."
 
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