Mueller Investigation pt5

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Segnosaur said:
First of all, I don't think the crosshairs were 'placed'. Given the angle, it looks like the crosshairs were part of the writing on the background.

Now, its possible that the creators of the image did intend to imply it as some sort of threat. But then, Stone wasn't the original creator of the image.

Its not the first time he has posted images without thinking... He once posted a picture of Himself, Trump and a bunch of other associates wearing space suits (in honor of Trump's plan to create "Space Force".) The problem is, the suits they were wearing had swastika on them.

https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-space-force-swastikas-1072213

Again, I'm not saying this to absolve Stone. From what we know, he definitely belongs in jail, for a long long time. And he should definitely have kept clear of posting ANYTHING about the judge or the case. I'm just not convinced the 'crosshair image' was actually posted as a threat by Stone aimed at the judge.
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If you're being charged with witness tampering it's best to avoid anything that might be mistaken as threatening someone involved in your trial.
 
jimbob said:
If you're being charged with witness tampering it's best to avoid anything that might be mistaken as threatening someone involved in your trial.
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Look, threatening to kill the judge is a clever strategy to have a mistrial: how can that judge still be impartial?
This is a defense ploy.
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's a rather "Kill the patient to stop the cancer" strategy don't you think?
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no, it isn't.

the judge has a track record of "not being a team player" when it comes to helping Trump's associates. Manafort tried to shop for a jury, Stone is trying to do the same.
As long as he has a shred of deniability, ending in another court could help Stone a lot.
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's a rather "Kill the patient to stop the cancer" strategy don't you think?
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If you know that a certain judge is gonna come down hard on you, it might be worth a gamble just to get someone different. I'd say, though, that's not quite as plausible as the hypothesis that Stone is just not very bright. The purpose of the posting was to solicit money for his defense fund by portraying himself as a victim of a bad judge, and it's plausible that he didn't think beyond that.
 
Segnosaur said:
First of all, I don't think the crosshairs were 'placed'. Given the angle, it looks like the crosshairs were part of the writing on the background.



Now, its possible that the creators of the image did intend to imply it as some sort of threat. But then, Stone wasn't the original creator of the image.



Its not the first time he has posted images without thinking... He once posted a picture of Himself, Trump and a bunch of other associates wearing space suits (in honor of Trump's plan to create "Space Force".) The problem is, the suits they were wearing had swastika on them.



https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-space-force-swastikas-1072213



Again, I'm not saying this to absolve Stone. From what we know, he definitely belongs in jail, for a long long time. And he should definitely have kept clear of posting ANYTHING about the judge or the case. I'm just not convinced the 'crosshair image' was actually posted as a threat by Stone aimed at the judge.
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It's amazing to me that you reference another example of this, even acknowledge it as part of a pattern of such behavior, as casting doubt on it being intentional.
 
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Whoa.

One of Mr. Trump’s lawyer also reached out that summer to the attorneys for two of his former aides — Paul J. Manafort and Mr. Flynn — to discuss possible pardons. The discussions raised questions about whether the president was willing to offer pardons to influence their decisions about whether to plead guilty and cooperate in the Mueller investigation.

The president even tried to fire Mr. Mueller himself, a move that could have brought an end to the investigation. Just weeks after Mr. Mueller’s appointment, the president insisted that he ought to be fired because of perceived conflicts of interest. Mr. Trump’s White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, who would have been responsible for carrying out the order, refused and threatened to quit.

The president eventually backed off.
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The Great Zaganza said:
no, it isn't.

the judge has a track record of "not being a team player" when it comes to helping Trump's associates. Manafort tried to shop for a jury, Stone is trying to do the same.
As long as he has a shred of deniability, ending in another court could help Stone a lot.
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Doesn't work that way. There is precedent. You can't judge shop by behaving like an ass then claiming such misbehavior has prejudiced the judge against you. It didn't work in the Trump U case when Trump claimed his racist remarks against the Judge made him too biased to oversee the case, and it won't work now. It's not prejudice when a judge reacts to bad behavior in real time.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1097582430284697600

Popehat cites a case where a man called up the home of his current criminal trial Judge and left threatening messages. The man appealed saying the Judge should have recused himself, being biased by his threats of violence. Appeal was rejected.

Acting like an douche during your trial and pissing off the judge is not grounds for recusal.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Look, threatening to kill the judge is a clever strategy to have a mistrial: how can that judge still be impartial?
This is a defense ploy.
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Sorry, but I do not think that is right.

After all, Stone was busted only about three weeks ago and the Stone trial has not even started yet.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Doesn't work that way. There is precedent. You can't judge shop by behaving like an ass then claiming such misbehavior has prejudiced the judge against you. It didn't work in the Trump U case when Trump claimed his racist remarks against the Judge made him too biased to oversee the case, and it won't work now. It's not prejudice when a judge reacts to bad behavior in real time.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1097582430284697600

Popehat cites a case where a man called up the home of his current criminal trial Judge and left threatening messages. The man appealed saying the Judge should have recused himself, being biased by his threats of violence. Appeal was rejected.

Acting like an douche during your trial and pissing off the judge is not grounds for recusal.
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Yeah that sort of strategy is more akin to children learning to abuse the rules.
 
Belz... said:
Did he say "drain the swamp" or "drain into the swamp"?
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The whole article is full of holy **** moments.

As federal prosecutors in Manhattan gathered evidence late last year about President Trump’s role in silencing women with hush payments during the 2016 campaign, Mr. Trump called Matthew G. Whitaker, his newly installed attorney general, with a question. He asked whether Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York and a Trump ally, could be put in charge of the widening investigation, according to several American officials with direct knowledge of the call.

Mr. Whitaker, who had privately told associates that part of his role at the Justice Department was to “jump on a grenade” for the president, knew he could not put Mr. Berman in charge, since Mr. Berman had already recused himself from the investigation. The president soon soured on Mr. Whitaker, as he often does with his aides, and complained about his inability to pull levers at the Justice Department that could make the president’s many legal problems go away.
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pgwenthold said:
Yeah.

"The FBI has opened an investigation of illegal activities of Trump and his team and his cabinet has discussed a 25th amendment solution"

Normal people: whoa, sounds like there are major concerns about Trump and his team
Fox News: whoa, sounds like the FBI and his cabinet are corrupt

Normal people:
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Normal people: wait, isn't the person behind those claims the same guy who repeatedly lied, and was fired for lying, and the OIG referred the liar to the DoJ for lying; plus he is trying to sell a book?

Actual Media: Yep

MSM: IT IS TEH COLLUSION!!!

Normal people....
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Now, its possible that the creators of the image did intend to imply it as some sort of threat. But then, Stone wasn't the original creator of the image.
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Its not the first time he has posted images without thinking... He once posted a picture of Himself, Trump and a bunch of other associates wearing space suits (in honor of Trump's plan to create "Space Force".) The problem is, the suits they were wearing had swastika on them.
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Again, I'm not saying this to absolve Stone. From what we know, he definitely belongs in jail, for a long long time. And he should definitely have kept clear of posting ANYTHING about the judge or the case. I'm just not convinced the 'crosshair image' was actually posted as a threat by Stone aimed at the judge.
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It's amazing to me that you reference another example of this, even acknowledge it as part of a pattern of such behavior, as casting doubt on it being intentional.
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Not sure why you seem so surprised.

The Nazi space suit pic was a mistake on his part. (After all, Trump and his group may be racists, but they don't necessarily want to call attention to it.) It shows that Stone can and does reuse images without thinking.

His past behavior should lend at least a little credibility to the idea that he did so again in that he probably reused an image without thinking about it.

What exactly is so surprising about that?
 
jimbob said:
As an aside, Roger stone's head shape is almost enough to make me believe in phrenology.

He seems to lack a back to his skull
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Look at it this way... if Trump ever decides to give him a pat on the head, his head will seem normal size to Trump's tiny hands.
 
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