Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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The Big Dog said:
Uh oh, seems what we have here is a difference of opinion... I'll let y'all finish your internecine spat.
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The only problem is if you struggle with reading comprehension saying that there are *already* 33 indictments implies that the investigation is unfinished.
 
smartcooky said:
The sad thing about that is that poor old Ari seems to always get lumbered with interviewing the total nutcases.

Oh and as for the JFK shot, it was an easy one... I would have made it, and I would not have missed the first two times.
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Expect PM from Deep State agent.
 
tyr_13 said:
Did...did anyone else see the MSNBC Ari Melber interview with Carosi?

I mean...wow...just...wow.

Some highlights are that it isn't a lie if it's political, even if it's told to law enforcement, I believe it even though I admit it's a lie so it isn't a lie, and I figured out when Wikileaks was going to release emails there was no indication they had while flying on vacation with my wife.

I mean, the guy even brings up, unprompted, how he doesn't believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that Oswald could not have shot JFK because it was too hard of a shot (forgetting he missed twice). It's wild.

EDIT: He even talked about how he knows things just out of the blue like when he came home early from kindergarten and told his mother he was done with it.

Just wild. I hope this isn't a fever dream.

EDIT 2: Embedding's not working. Youtube link to video.
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OK, I just watched this interview on MSNBC.

Corsi is a walking cluster-****!
 
Trump Tweets

So much happening with the now discredited Witch Hunt. This total Hoax will be studied for years!

Did you ever see an investigation more in search of a crime? At the same time Mueller and the Angry Democrats aren’t even looking at the atrocious, and perhaps subversive, crimes that were committed by Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. A total disgrace!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

So much happening with the now discredited Witch Hunt. This total Hoax will be studied for years!

Did you ever see an investigation more in search of a crime? At the same time Mueller and the Angry Democrats aren’t even looking at the atrocious, and perhaps subversive, crimes that were committed by Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. A total disgrace!
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In the UK, we would c all that evidence of "Bricking it."
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

So much happening with the now discredited Witch Hunt. This total Hoax will be studied for years!

Did you ever see an investigation more in search of a crime? At the same time Mueller and the Angry Democrats aren’t even looking at the atrocious, and perhaps subversive, crimes that were committed by Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. A total disgrace!
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A somewhat substantiated theory of Trump's tweets vis-a-vis the Mueller probe is that he is repeating what Manafort leaked to him - something that Mueller would have picked up on instantly.
So the theory is that Mueller used Manafort to steer Trump to answer the written questions a certain way that contradicts what Mueller knows for a fact.
 
Since his daughter has just been found to have committed the same "crimes", you'd have thought he'd have eased up a little on the "lock her up" rhetoric.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/28/congress-protect-mueller-222724



If Mueller is fired by the president, then the House can take over. That is how it works.
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The problem with the protection bill in terms of constitutional architecture also gets at the problem with the special counsel. It is perverse that the president of the United States is being investigated by his own inferior officer in what ultimately could become an impeachment case.
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That doesn't seem weird at all. Corporate oversight of CEOs has that quality to. An internal investigation can have serious consequences for a CEO.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Pophat article on the Manafort situation

TL:DR version - Mueller made a mistake in trusting Manafort and didn't intend him to leak the information to Trump, but Manafort also made a mistake in leaking it as he unwittingly waived his attorney-client privilege and Mueller can find out what their lawyers said to each other. Manafort is definitely banking on a pardon.
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I couldn’t get to the article.
Are they seriously suggesting that Mueller trusted Manafort? And even if you trust someone, you still put a clause in the plea agreement to not discuss anything outside of consultations with your lawyer because some people you trust might inadvertently give away critical information.

Mueller wouldn’t have gotten this far making rookie mistakes.
 
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When will this illegal Joseph McCarthy style Witch Hunt, one that has shattered so many innocent lives, ever end-or will it just go on forever? After wasting more than $40,000,000 (is that possible?), it has proven only one thing-there was NO Collusion with Russia. So Ridiculous!

Wow, that's $10,000,000 overnight!
 
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Ladewig said:
I couldn’t get to the article.
Are they seriously suggesting that Mueller trusted Manafort? And even if you trust someone, you still put a clause in the plea agreement to not discuss anything outside of consultations with your lawyer because some people you trust might inadvertently give away critical information.

Mueller wouldn’t have gotten this far making rookie mistakes.
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I wouldn't call this a rookie mistake. Mueller's approach is textbook federal prosecutor stuff, but the added complexity of a criminal president with the power to pardon makes this largely uncharted waters.

Manafort and his lawyers are making a hell of a gambit. If his lawyers really did keep communicating confidential info with Trump's lawyers after Manafort began cooperating, that's a huge ethical problem given the obvious conflict of interest. That communication is potentially unprotected. The lawyers have likely ended their careers as federal defense attorneys, as there is no reason for any prosecutor to trust them. Manafort has torpedoed any leniency he was going to receive in exchange for a guilty plea, which he can't rescind, and likely faces a very harsh sentence. The only rational explanation is that he's doubling down hard on getting a pardon from Trump.

I don't see how such a pardon doesn't cause an instant constitutional crisis, but not coming through with it means leaving Manafort out to dry.

I am a bit surprised Manafort's lawyers would do this. They come from prominent law firms and have a professional reputation to protect. It's hard to imagine them pissing that away for a client, even a prestigious one.
 
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The Shrike said:
I tried for a bit but quickly realized the futility of looking for logic in a motivated reasoner's interpretation of current events.
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There are members of this board who will undoubtedly deny the veracity of these claims, even if Trump and others are found guilty of these exact charges in a court or impeachment process, even if they admit some or all of their guilt.

Their standard is beyond an unreasonable doubt, so it's an impossible task.
 
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