Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Pophat article on the Manafort situation

TL:DR version - Mueller made a mistake in trusting Manafort and didn't intend him to leak the information to Trump, but Manafort also made a mistake in leaking it as he unwittingly waived his attorney-client privilege and Mueller can find out what their lawyers said to each other. Manafort is definitely banking on a pardon.
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I must confess I have sort of a man-crush on Ken White, although his best days were when he was blogging about Prenda Law and Charles Carreon. I do wish he'd blog more and tweet less. One of the better points in this article was that Manafort's lawyers sharing what the told Mueller may have resulted in Trump repeating what Mueller already knew to be lies.
 
The Big Dog said:
Nope, I pretty well have, particularly when 1. the point is the charges were lying to the FBI and not colluding with Russia, which was the whole ding dong point and 2. Corsi told the Mueller leftists to get bent because the plea deal was a crock of baloney

so yeah, TBD has figured out how plea deals work.
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Um...what?
 
Originally Posted by The Shrike View Post
Thirty two indictments or plea deals from said witch hunt
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It never ceases to amaze me that some of our...ahem...less critical thinkers think that no charges of 'collusion' yet from the unpublished and unfinished Mueller investigation is evidence than no such evidence has been found.

All anyone has to do is to know that Trump is scared spitless about this investigation is look at his behavior. His constant attacks of anyone associated with it and his attempts to discredit it give lie to his protestations of innocence. I've never seen anyone act so guilty and be so transparently obvious with his tactics.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Uh oh, seems what we have here is a difference of opinion... I'll let y'all finish your internecine spat.
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acbytesla said:
I mean, why address the facts.

The feces is about to impact the oscillating blade apparatus. Stone is proving to be a bigger liar than Trump. The idea that Trump didn't know what his buddies Stone and Manafort were doing is absurd.
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Stone's mantra has always been "Deny, deny, deny."

I'm still trying to figure out what I said differs from what the article The Shrike linked says.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I hadn’t heard that. Is there a list of names, a workable definition of “leftists”, and supporting evidence to show these people fit the bill?
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Well, it is the FBI. So if the pattern holds, about 80% of those leftists will be longtime Republicans.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I hadn’t heard that. Is there a list of names, a workable definition of “leftists”, and supporting evidence to show these people fit the bill?
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Yes, yes, and yes.

At least 13/17 attorneys on mueller staff are democrat party members, and 9 are donors.
 
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Regnad Kcin said:
I hadn’t heard that. Is there a list of names, a workable definition of “leftists”, and supporting evidence to show these people fit the bill?
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"Hard core Leftist" - by the logic required for this claim, probably, anyone who's ever had anything to do with the Democratic Party. For a far more comprehensive analysis, though, Politifact does a decent job. Yes, there are a number of Democrats, including a couple who made political donations (the one who donated most, incidentally, also donated to a couple Republicans). The choice of team members, however, should have been based on competence, rather than political affiliation.

It's nothing more than an attempt to poison the well, either way. The Big Dog, like pretty much everyone else, expects that some of the crimes of the Trump crime family will be revealed and wants to try to claim that the Hillary was just as bad or worse and it's only because of political and media shenanigans that Trump's being portrayed so badly, so he doesn't have to admit how foolish he was to support Trump despite Trump's blindingly obvious faults. Well, alternately, he could just be enjoying trolling the libruls and generally not care. That would be no surprise either, given his body of work.
 
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Did...did anyone else see the MSNBC Ari Melber interview with Carosi?

I mean...wow...just...wow.

Some highlights are that it isn't a lie if it's political, even if it's told to law enforcement, I believe it even though I admit it's a lie so it isn't a lie, and I figured out when Wikileaks was going to release emails there was no indication they had while flying on vacation with my wife.

I mean, the guy even brings up, unprompted, how he doesn't believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that Oswald could not have shot JFK because it was too hard of a shot (forgetting he missed twice). It's wild.

EDIT: He even talked about how he knows things just out of the blue like when he came home early from kindergarten and told his mother he was done with it.

Just wild. I hope this isn't a fever dream.

EDIT 2: Embedding's not working. Youtube link to video.
 
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tyr_13 said:
Did...did anyone else see the MSNBC Ari Melber interview with Carosi?

I mean...wow...just...wow.

Some highlights are that it isn't a lie if it's political, even if it's told to law enforcement, I believe it even though I admit it's a lie so it isn't a lie, and I figured out when Wikileaks was going to release emails there was no indication they had while flying on vacation with my wife.

I mean, the guy even brings up, unprompted, how he doesn't believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that Oswald could not have shot JFK because it was too hard of a shot (forgetting he missed twice). It's wild.

EDIT: He even talked about how he knows things just out of the blue like when he came home early from kindergarten and told his mother he was done with it.

Just wild. I hope this isn't a fever dream.

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The sad thing about that is that poor old Ari seems to always get lumbered with interviewing the total nutcases.

Oh and as for the JFK shot, it was an easy one... I would have made it, and I would not have missed the first two times.
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh no, heck I am a member of the Cook County Democrat party! Don’t blame me, tho.
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Okay? I guess?

You stated: “Mueller has a squad of hard core lefties on his team.” If you meant to state that some of the people working under the direction of the special prosecutor are members of one of the two main political parties and have at one or more times contributed to various like-minded candidates (and then proceed to opine on why you think that’s a bad thing), why not do so?

It’s okay that you take off on a hang-glide of hyperbole. But it does what appears to be your argument no favors.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I hadn’t heard that. Is there a list of names, a workable definition of “leftists”, and supporting evidence to show these people fit the bill?
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You have to remember that Republicans and Trumpists are masters of projection. They know that if they were in the position of investigating their political opponents, they'd stitch them up in a with-hunt, just look at all the attempts to scapegoat Clinton with Benghazi. And since they assume that everyone would act just like they would, they assume that because the Muller investigation has Democrats on it, they must be doing what Republicans would do in that situation, and so must be trying to stitch up Trump and the others.
 
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