Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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smartcooky said:
Trump has no power to pardon anyone convicted in State Courts. Why do you think Mueller handed the prosecution of Manafort off to the Southern District of New York?
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That would be incorrect.

Mueller referred it to the Southern District of New York Federal Court. It happens to be located in New York but it's not part of NY State judiciary, but the federal.
 
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The Phony Witch Hunt continues, but Mueller and his gang of Angry Dems are only looking at one side, not the other. Wait until it comes out how horribly & viciously they are treating people, ruining lives for them refusing to lie. Mueller is a conflicted prosecutor gone rogue....

....The Fake News Media builds Bob Mueller up as a Saint, when in actuality he is the exact opposite. He is doing TREMENDOUS damage to our Criminal Justice System, where he is only looking at one side and not the other. Heroes will come of this, and it won’t be Mueller and his...

....terrible Gang of Angry Democrats. Look at their past, and look where they come from. The now $30,000,000 Witch Hunt continues and they’ve got nothing but ruined lives. Where is the Server? Let these terrible people go back to the Clinton Foundation and “Justice” Department!
 
Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump’s campaign, the Guardian has been told.

Sources have said Manafort went to see Assange in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016 – during the period when he was made a key figure in Trump’s push for the White House.

It is unclear why Manafort wanted to see Assange and what was discussed. But the last meeting is likely to come under scrutiny and could interest Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor who is investigating alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

A well-placed source has told the Guardian that Manafort went to see Assange around March 2016. Months later WikiLeaks released a stash of Democratic emails stolen by Russian intelligence officers.

Manafort, 69, denies involvement in the hack and says the claim is “100% false”. His lawyers declined to answer the Guardian’s questions about the visits.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...cret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy

What an odd coincidence.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Trump has no power to pardon anyone convicted in State Courts. Why do you think Mueller handed the prosecution of Manafort off to the Southern District of New York?
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That would be incorrect.

Mueller referred it to the Southern District of New York Federal Court. It happens to be located in New York but it's not part of NY State judiciary, but the federal.
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Fortunately there is the chance that Manafort can be charged for crimes in several states.

From: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...rdons-him-thanks-to-a-lone-holdout-juror.html
Virginia’s double jeopardy statute bars secondary state prosecutions for committing “the same act” in “violation of both a state and a federal statute.” Filing a state tax return, though, is a separate act from filing a federal return.
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Manafort also faces New York state tax fraud liability with no double jeopardy protection.
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Manafort was also tried on bank fraud relating to New York and California banks. Both states have double jeopardy statutes that seem to create a potential pardon protection. But there was a hung jury on the conspiracy bank fraud charge for the California bank...California could prosecute the separate act of conspiracy bank fraud because Manafort has never been prosecuted and convicted or acquitted of that charge.
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There was also a hung jury on the four bank fraud charges for his dealings with the Federal Savings Bank in Illinois. The state’s double jeopardy law also allows a second state prosecution after a mistrial. It is ironic that the one holdout juror who caused a mistrial on some charges opened up Manafort to state retrials.

So, Manafort has to deal with potential fraud trials in 4 different states, all of which are either heavily democratic, or politically in the center (meaning the jury pools will be less likely to favor republicans). Furthermore, with Manafort's witness tampering allegations, its possible that a judge in at least one of the states will deny him bail (so he'll be stuck in prison awaiting trial.) Overall, it ain't looking good for Manafort.

A pardon by Trump would probably do nothing to gain him his freedom, but would instead open Trump up to further allegations of obstruction.

The only problem in all of this: Manafort has screwed himself, but in doing so he ended up helping Stubby McBonespurs, since he can no longer be considered a reliable witness in any further investigations or trials related to the Trump/Russia investigation.
 
We also have the text messages of Manafort's daughters, talking about him and what he did to their mother over an extended period of time - which alone would be enough to send him to jail for a decade and cannot be discussed here under decency Forum Rules.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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The Phony Witch Hunt continues, but Mueller and his gang of Angry Dems are only looking at one side, not the other. Wait until it comes out how horribly & viciously they are treating people, ruining lives for them refusing to lie. Mueller is a conflicted prosecutor gone rogue....

....The Fake News Media builds Bob Mueller up as a Saint, when in actuality he is the exact opposite. He is doing TREMENDOUS damage to our Criminal Justice System, where he is only looking at one side and not the other. Heroes will come of this, and it won’t be Mueller and his...

....terrible Gang of Angry Democrats. Look at their past, and look where they come from. The now $30,000,000 Witch Hunt continues and they’ve got nothing but ruined lives. Where is the Server? Let these terrible people go back to the Clinton Foundation and “Justice” Department!
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This sure sounds like an innocent person who has absolutely nothing to hide or fear from Mueller's investigation.:rolleyes:

Whitaker is likely giving Trump disturbing info from the investigation that he wasn't getting before which is fueling Trump's attacks. Trump is crapping his pants.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
We also have the text messages of Manafort's daughters, talking about him and what he did to their mother over an extended period of time - which alone would be enough to send him to jail for a decade and cannot be discussed here under decency Forum Rules.
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I hadn't heard about those texts so I did some googling.

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3
In a series of texts reviewed by Business Insider that appear to have been sent by Andrea to her sister, Jessica, in March 2015, Andrea said their father had "no moral or legal compass."... "You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

Wow. Their family thanksgiving dinners must be either verrry interesting, or verrrrry quiet.

ETA: Found a few more references to the stolen texts that go into more details about their family life:

From: https://spectator.us/mom-tested-stds-manaforts-home-life/
One daughter purportedly tells another that their father regularly made their mother have sex with a “room full of men”. “dad tapes it all”...Yet more bizarrely, it seems both parents shared these painful secrets with their (grown-up) daughters in an attempt to save their marriage. “he has too many skeletons, he can’t have a public divorce.”

There is nothing illegal about having that type of sex, and if everyone involved is consenting (The question about the wife's consent may be a grey area) there should be no issue. But, given the fact that the Republicans are supposedly the "party of Family Values", having a sex maniac running the campaign of Stubby McBonespurs should be seen as questionable. (Well, ok, it wouldn't really be questionable, since the republicans are basically a mass of hypocrites when it comes to morality.)
 
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The $30 million number is overblown -

but even if it wasn't, Mueller got over $45million from Manafort alone, so the Probe is well in the black.
 
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Segnosaur said:
I hadn't heard about those texts so I did some googling.

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3
In a series of texts reviewed by Business Insider that appear to have been sent by Andrea to her sister, Jessica, in March 2015, Andrea said their father had "no moral or legal compass."... "You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

Wow. Their family thanksgiving dinners must be either verrry interesting, or verrrrry quiet.
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there is a lot of other horrible stuff in the texts.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The $30 million number is overblown -

but even if it wasn't, Mueller got over $45million from Manafort alone, so the Probe is well in the black.
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Just wondering... if Manafort lied and the plea deal is now off the table, what happens to the money Manafort voluntarily gave up as part of the plea deal?

Does the government have to return it? If they do have to return it, can they then go and seize it later after all the trials and sentencings are finished?
 
Segnosaur said:
Just wondering... if Manafort lied and the plea deal is now off the table, what happens to the money Manafort voluntarily gave up as part of the plea deal?

Does the government have to return it? If they do have to return it, can they then go and seize it later after all the trials and sentencings are finished?
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no.
the plea stated clearly that Manafort hands it all over immediately, with no recourse either way.
Mueller gave the DOJ his Apartment in Trump Tower. To save overhead, maybe the Probe should move in there.
 
Segnosaur said:
Just wondering... if Manafort lied and the plea deal is now off the table, what happens to the money Manafort voluntarily gave up as part of the plea deal?

Does the government have to return it? If they do have to return it, can they then go and seize it later after all the trials and sentencings are finished?
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Nope. The way the plea deal was written meant that if Manafort broke it then he would still be bound by everything he'd agreed to, and Mueller wouldn't be bound by anything he'd agreed to.
 
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