Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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Foolmewunz said:
I think Dershowitz is still auditioning for a job. He goes on to parrot "collusion is not a crime" and say that there will be no indictments.
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It's sad that one only need to be on television supporting Trump's authoritarian rule to get a job in that administration.
 
Bob001 said:
Are you under the impression that the President can order anyone to be prosecuted?
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In the last two pages I've learned ordering an investigation of Clinton is impeachable, but refusing to order an investigation of someone else is also impeachable.


It seems nobody on either side pays much attention to either separation of powers, nor, more importantly, the core value in constitutional design that forbids those in power from deliberately using their power to hurt their political enemies.

Prior to this Mueller release, all I have to say is the Republicans brought it on themselves with the relentless pursuit of Bill Clinton, including impeachment, for things and "process crimes" (that they now decry), ultimately the silliest of which was used for impeachment. Wisely, with the constitutional design in mind, the Senate chose not to remove him from office for this silly reason, one unrelated to the reason for investigation.

I don't think the parallel here will extend that far.
 
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When Mueller does his final report, will he be covering all of his conflicts of interest in a preamble, will he be recommending action on all of the crimes of many kinds from those “on the other side”(whatever happened to Podesta?), and will he be putting in statements from.....

....hundreds of people closely involved with my campaign who never met, saw or spoke to a Russian during this period? So many campaign workers, people inside from the beginning, ask me why they have not been called (they want to be). There was NO Collusion & Mueller knows it!
 
Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, repeatedly lied to federal investigators in breach of a plea agreement he signed two months ago, the special counsel’s office said in a court filing late on Monday.

Mr. Manafort’s “crimes and lies” during a series of interviews with prosecutors working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, and the F.B.I. relieve them of all promises they made to him in the plea agreement reached in mid-September, investigators wrote in the filing.

Defense lawyers disagreed. Mr. Manafort has been truthful with the special counsel’s office and has abided by the agreement, they argued in the same status report to Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. Given the impasse between the two sides, Mr. Manafort asked that Judge Jackson set a sentencing date.
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Linky.
 
tyr_13 said:
He thinks he's getting a pardon.
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Eventually (maybe near the end of the Trump's term).

But I think this has less to do with Trump and much more to do with Russian money laundering: being in prison for keeping your mouth shut might be safer for him than being free and a snitch who put the Feds on the trail of billions of Oligarch dollars about to be siezed.
 
Corsi is such a flake, I wonder if he's even really been offered a plea deal; he might be making it all up.
 
Beerina said:
In the last two pages I've learned ordering an investigation of Clinton is impeachable, but refusing to order an investigation of someone else is also impeachable.
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Ordering an investigation would generally not be an impeachable offence, and is in fact within the wheelhouse of the President. It should be used carefully though, especially against political opponents. Not ordering an investigation is certainly not impeachable as not doing something when there is no burden of law to do so is not generally a crime.

Ordering that an investigation not take place could certainly be impeachable though.

Ordering prosecutions, that is something altogether different. Ordering that a person be prosecuted strips them of their rights because it is a malicious prosecution that fails to provide any reasonable and probable cause of a crime having been committed. It's the sort of behaviour that is seen in dictatorships.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

When Mueller does his final report, will he be covering all of his conflicts of interest in a preamble, will he be recommending action on all of the crimes of many kinds from those “on the other side”(whatever happened to Podesta?), and will he be putting in statements from.....

....hundreds of people closely involved with my campaign who never met, saw or spoke to a Russian during this period? So many campaign workers, people inside from the beginning, ask me why they have not been called (they want to be). There was NO Collusion & Mueller knows it!
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I’m going to convince myself that the number of people who will be swayed by this argument and also have a voter registration card is very small.

Now, if you excuse me, I’m going to close my eyes very tightly and not read any of the following posts for fear of seeing evidence that there are enough of them to sway an election.
 
tyr_13 said:
He thinks he's getting a pardon.
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You may be right. I don't rule out the possibility some ordinary citizens* bad dudes from Russia asked how his children and grandchildren are doing.

* A sarcastic homage to Emily's Cat who I'm sorry has been scarce (me being sorry EC is gone is not sarcastic, in case she is reading)
 
Once upon a time in a Trump thread of yore, I documented the many times the Imbecile-in-Chief denied global warming. A certain poSteR (that's a clue) had a big laugh about that, denying that Trump is a denier based on the poSteR's ability to read Trump's mind. Actually! I wonder what the Professor thinks now.
 
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