Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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He shouldn't even be the AG. I think he knows it and doesn't care that he's there illegally. He will not recuse himself.
 
thaiboxerken said:
LOL. We all know that Trump and Whitaker have an agreement that he would not recuse himself. I really don't understand the delusion of the press and House Democrats have that Whitaker has ethical or moral integrity.
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He may also be seeing that not doing so could put him in legal jeopardy.
 
Sideroxylon said:
He may also be seeing that not doing so could put him in legal jeopardy.
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Yup.

We can only hope that Whitaker, while lacking any sense of ethics or integrity, might still have a sense of self preservation. IMO, the FBI are measuring him up for an orange jump suit, and whether he gets to wear it might be down to what he does next.

If he's planning on being Der Trumpenführer's fall guy, and being paid for the time he is in jail, he had better make sure he gets paid up front.... we all know that Dolt welches on his deals.
 
smartcooky said:
If he's planning on being Der Trumpenführer's fall guy, and being paid for the time he is in jail, he had better make sure he gets paid up front.... we all know that Dolt welches on his deals.
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on the other hand, Trump has a lot of capacity to smuggle cigarettes into prison...
 
There are rumors that new indictments might drop today.

I hope and assume that applecorped and others who are laser focused on the count share my anticipatory glee.
 
varwoche said:
There are rumors that new indictments might drop today.

I hope and assume that applecorped and others who are laser focused on the count share my anticipatory glee.
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It is real easy to pad those numbers when you get to indict people you will never be accountable for proving your indictments we're legitimate.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
This article explores how Whitaker's role as unofficial adviser to the Trump campaign would necessitate his recusal from the Mueller probe under the same rules that required Sessions'
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What, exactly, would happen if he doesn't recuse himself? What charges would be brought against him? Who would bring them?

What is the likelihood that he would be prosecuted and convicted?

I really don't know the answers to these questions. I keep seeing references to rules he is supposed to follow, but I don't understand what those rules are, who makes them, or who enforces them.
 
quadraginta said:
What, exactly, would happen if he doesn't recuse himself? What charges would be brought against him?
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If he takes any action to stifle the Mueller probe then that would be obstruction of justice, and his previous statements could be used as evidence against him.

He could also be in violation of 18 USC §§ 202 to 209 governing conflicts of interest.

quadraginta said:
Who would bring them?
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The FBI would investigate, the Deputy AG would bring the charges.

quadraginta said:
What is the likelihood that he would be prosecuted and convicted?
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Quite high (see Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Rick Gates etc)

quadraginta said:
I really don't know the answers to these questions. I keep seeing references to rules he is supposed to follow, but I don't understand what those rules are, who makes them, or who enforces them.
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The rules are along the same lines as any DoJ official, indeed any Law Enforcement organisation.

Here is a key part of the USDoJ Ethics Handbook


Ethics Handbook for On and Off-Duty Conduct
14 General Principles of Ethical Conduct

The following general principles apply to every employee and may form the basis for the standards contained in this part. Where a situation is not covered by the standards set forth in this part, employees shall apply the principles set forth in this section in determining whether their conduct is proper.

Public service is a public trust, requiring employees to place loyalty to the Constitution, the laws and ethical principles above private gain.
Employees shall not hold financial interests that conflict with the conscientious performance of duty.
Employees shall not engage in financial transactions using nonpublic Government information or allow the improper use of such information to further any private interest.
An employee shall not, except as permitted by [these standards of conduct], solicit or accept any gift or other item of monetary value from any person or entity seeking official action from, doing business with, or conducting activities regulated by the employee’s agency, or whose interests may be substantially affected by the performance or nonperformance of the employee’s duties.
Employees shall put forth honest effort in the performance of their duties.
Employees shall not knowingly make unauthorized commitments or promises of any kind purporting to bind the Government.
Employees shall not use public office for private gain.
Employees shall act impartially and not give preferential treatment to any private organization or individual. Employees shall protect and conserve Federal property and shall not use it for other than authorized activities.
Employees shall not engage in outside employment or activities, including seeking or negotiating for employment, that conflict with their official Government duties and responsibilities.
Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to the appropriate authorities.
Employees shall satisfy in good faith their obligations as citizens, including all just financial obligations, especially those—such as Federal, State, or local taxes—that are imposed by law.
Employees shall adhere to all laws and regulations that provide equal opportunity for all Americans regardless of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or handicap.
Employees shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or the ethical standards set forth in this part. Whether particular circumstances create an appearance that the law or these standards have been violated shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person with knowledge of the relevant facts​
The full Ethics handbook is here https://www.justice.gov/jmd/ethics-handbook

The DoJ is supposed to be a branch of the US Government that is politically independent from the parties involved. Its officers are supposed to apply the Law 100% impartially without fear or favor.

Trump wants to turn the USDoJ into his Presidential enforcement unit, and wants the AG to act as a solicitor to defend the President. He wants the USDoJ and its staff to be loyal to him, when its clear from these ethics standards that they actually owe their loyalty the US Constitution, i.e. the People of the United States.
 
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smartcooky said:
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Who would bring them?
The FBI would investigate, the Deputy AG would bring the charges.
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What if Trump manages to replace the Deputy AG (Rosenstien) with another Trump toady (i.e. one who refuses to bring charges against 'his boss')? Are there any ways that charges could be laid then?
 
Segnosaur said:
What if Trump manages to replace the Deputy AG (Rosenstien) with another Trump toady (i.e. one who refuses to bring charges against 'his boss')? Are there any ways that charges could be laid then?
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I don't know. Its a flaw in the system created by allowing a president who is not accountable to the government or the governing party, and who considers himself to be above the law, to appoint public servants with no oversight.

Of course, if this business with him being involved in fraud comes to anything, then he could face state charges, probably in Florida, and that would put any of Dolt's toadies out of the loop.
 
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