Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

[dudalb]

The same event wouldn't ever happen -- Trump has never been partial to cigars.

Got anything except snark,whataboutsim and blind devotion to Dear Leader?

 

[Joecool]

No, I didn't. I pointed out that your question is pathetic baiting designed to do nothing more than imply an actual bias.

You can play it off as whatever ******** you want, people here can choose to buy it or not, especially considering your posting history (which shows a bias).

Trump is worse because he's ******* worse. That doesn't justify Clinton. Clinton was a good President, but a **** person to me. Trump is a **** president and **** person.

Has your life actually been derailed in some manner because of Trump or because of something he did or said?

I didn't care for GW Bush or Obama, and frankly, I think Trump should stay off twitter, but it doesn't cause me "lose it" and post profanity littered rants on this forum.

 

[The Big Dog]

Has your life actually been derailed in some manner because of Trump or because of something he did or said?

I didn't care for GW Bush or Obama, and frankly, I think Trump should stay off twitter, but it doesn't cause me "lose it" and post profanity littered rants on this forum.

Oh I thought those were fill in the blanks, viz:.

Trump is worse because he's "not really" worse. That doesn't justify Clinton. Clinton was a good President, but a "real" person to me. Trump is a "good" president and "good" person.

So sweet!

 

[jimbob]

Has your life actually been derailed in some manner because of Trump or because of something he did or said?

I didn't care for GW Bush or Obama, and frankly, I think Trump should stay off twitter, but it doesn't cause me "lose it" and post profanity littered rants on this forum.

Clinton, Bush, Blair, Reagan, Thatcher, Kohl, Chirac, all lied and the last two definitely were corrupt but they all had a concept of the truth and would tell the truth as they saw it unless they had a reason to lie. Even then they tended to dissemble rather than flat out lie.

Trump doesn't even seem to have the concept of the difference between truth and lies. He'll say whatever he thinks fits into his personal narrative of his being the best at everything, and will refuse to take any blame for anything, even when in another person it might be considered to be an "honest" mistake.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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I don't really care what media on either side want, nor do I know why anyone else should. The actual articles of impeachment have nothing to do with lying to the American people.

"Nothing to do with"?

I'm pretty sure said Articles are sufficiently vague enough to include anything the Congress believes they include.

But as usual you leave a lot of things Trump might be impeached for out.

 

[plague311]

Has your life actually been derailed in some manner because of Trump or because of something he did or said?

I didn't care for GW Bush or Obama, and frankly, I think Trump should stay off twitter, but it doesn't cause me "lose it" and post profanity littered rants on this forum.

Yes, it has. By several things he's said and done. Care to address my post or just cry because I used naughty words?

I'm a ******* a grown-up. I swear, my grown-up kids swear, and there's a filter. You don't like? Hit the report button and cry to the mods. Otherwise I'll just assume that I was right and by calling you out on your ******** argument left you with no other option than to cry about words.

Did swearing hurt you? Show me on the doll where swearing hurt you.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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Congress has the constitutional power to impeach and convict a president for anything they want to. But it's a bad idea to use that power for merely being "unfit". Voters are supposed to decide who is fit and who is not fit to be president. Republicans didn't come out ahead from Clinton's impeachment, and that was a proven crime. Impeaching Trump for non-criminal lying will go down even more poorly.

Merely unfit?

We'll find out just how unfit the closer Mueller's investigation gets to Trump.

But BTW, the 'Republicans' are not going to impeach Trump. Heck, it's possible some of them are in on getting Russian assistance in getting elected.

After the midterms, we'll see.

 

[jimbob]

Merely unfit?

We'll find out just how unfit the closer Mueller's investigation gets to Trump.

But BTW, the 'Republicans' are not going to impeach Trump. Heck, it's possible some of them are in on getting Russian assistance in getting elected.

After the midterms, we'll see.

The Russians hacked the RNC server as well as the DNC, but none of their information has been made public. I doubt it is because the Russian state can't think of anything to do with the information.

 

[Joecool]

Yes, it has. By several things he's said and done. Care to address my post or just cry because I used naughty words?

I'm a ******* a grown-up. I swear, my grown-up kids swear, and there's a filter. You don't like? Hit the report button and cry to the mods. Otherwise I'll just assume that I was right and by calling you out on your ******** argument left you with no other option than to cry about words.

Did swearing hurt you? Show me on the doll where swearing hurt you.

I could care less about reporting your language and it doesn't hurt me one iota.

So is posting on this forum therapeutic for you or do you think Trump is reading this forum and thinking he better clean up his act?

The way I see it, Trump is a successful and wealthy businessman. He is used to people kissing his a$$ and having people hang on his every word. He speaks whatever is on his mind, without filters apparently. He's not eloquent and as I stated earlier, probably would be better off avoiding social media.

But the US economy is doing well, unemployment is low, I'm on the fence with the trade tariffs. And unquestionably, the stock market is doing very well.

Not everything Trump has done is good but not everything he's done is wrong either. I ignore his tweets and enjoy the stock market returns.

 

[acbytesla]

I always thought it strange that she kept the dress, apparently unwashed ... who does that? Maybe if I had just bagged a president I would too.

That said - yep, he should have turned her down. Clinton totally dodged a bullet when the Senate chose not to convict him. It's a two-thirds vote and that's an incredibly high bar. It's why so far I've been lukewarm on impeaching Trump unless there is *overwhelming* evidence of guilt, and even if there is, quite possibly he'd skate.

There IS an overwhelming evidence of guilt on a number of charges. Such as obstruction of justice, suborning perjury, rampant abuses of the emoluments clause. And i am 100 percent sure if Congress was actually fullfilling its oversight duties, there would be more. Any of these offenses should be enough. But under Trump and the GOP nothing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

was that an attempt to defend the person who committed perjury?

do you not understand the difference between lying under oath and lying?

I'd be happy to "walk" you through it.

OOoooo, lying under oath. Dang, that as horrendous as using a private email server.

Meanwhile running a criminal enterprise, no worries. Money laundering, meh. Involvement with mobsters, cheating on your election, using millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on golf vacations, using your office to harass private citizens, having how-many-is-it-up-to-now of your top staff members charged with federal crimes, inciting violence at your rallies, hiding the fact you paid off mistresses to keep them quiet during your campaign, asking a foreign country to hack your competitor's email, giving intelligence secrets to the ambassador and foreign minister of Russia, ......

Nothing nearly as bad on that list as OMG, OMG, OMG, lying under oath about cheating on your wife and her emails.

Trump doesn't have to be impeached for non-criminal lying. Hell no, he's clearly guilty of obstruction of justice, suborning perjury, violating his oath to uphold the constitution by rampant violations of the emoluments clause and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Out of curiosity, Do you know how many subpoenas Trey Gowdy issued in his investigations into Ben Ghazzi and Hillary's emails? Over 50. Do you know how many he has issued into Russian interference into the 2016 election?

I'll let you guess.

And all that.

 

[acbytesla]

If this same event had happened with Trump, would your perspective be identical or would it be all Trump's fault because he is (insert insult)?

No. I could care less who Trump has consensual sexual relations with and I would consider it wrong to ask him about those. My issues with Trump have far more to do with his lying about everything. About blaming everyone else. About his attacks on civil servants and
the rule of law. His failure to uphold and defend the Constitution and checks and balances. How he has turned the Presidency into a money making scam to enrich his friends and family.
NO, I COULD CARE LESS WHO HE BANGS.

 

[The Big Dog]

OOoooo, lying under oath. Dang, that as horrendous as using a private email server.

Meanwhile running a criminal enterprise, no worries. Money laundering, meh. Involvement with mobsters, cheating on your election, using millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on golf vacations, using your office to harass private citizens, having how-many-is-it-up-to-now of your top staff members charged with federal crimes, inciting violence at your rallies, hiding the fact you paid off mistresses to keep them quiet during your campaign, asking a foreign country to hack your competitor's email, giving intelligence secrets to the ambassador and foreign minister of Russia, ......

Nothing nearly as bad on that list as OMG, OMG, OMG, lying under oath about cheating on your wife and her emails.

And all that.

Oh man, you know that when you see someone opening up a post deliberately hand waving away perjury that we are going to be in for a ding dong dilly of a post, and brother were we!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Papadopoulos has decided after weeks of protest that he will stand by his plea agreement after all

Guess his girlfriend's public pleas for Trump to pardon Papa-d wasn't getting any traction.

 

[Joecool]

About his attacks on civil servants and
the rule of law. His failure to uphold and defend the Constitution and checks and balances.

Please elaborate.

How he has turned the Presidency into a money making scam to enrich his friends and family.

What scam are you referring to?

It seems to me that most if not all politicians turn their (insert title) into a money making venture to enrich themselves, political supporters and friends and family.

 

[plague311]

I could care less about reporting your language and it doesn't hurt me one iota.

You brought it up, just asking why it seemed to get to you.

So is posting on this forum therapeutic for you or do you think Trump is reading this forum and thinking he better clean up his act?

Do you? Can you explain to me why you think this question is relevant? I address you and your statements. I didn't address Trump at any point. My personal life isn't the topic here though.

The way I see it, Trump is a successful and wealthy businessman. He is used to people kissing his a$$ and having people hang on his every word. He speaks whatever is on his mind, without filters apparently. He's not eloquent and as I stated earlier, probably would be better off avoiding social media.

But the US economy is doing well, unemployment is low, I'm on the fence with the trade tariffs. And unquestionably, the stock market is doing very well.

Yeah, well I'm interested in more than my ******* pocket book, buddy. I don't give a **** if you're making more money or not. Almost none of what you listed is because of anything Trump has accomplished. He hasn't made any changes to any of those that would result in their progress. Unless you've got something to show me how he made unemployment lower. You should speak to some farmers in North Dakota if you want to know how opinions can change. He's ****** half of them.

Not everything Trump has done is good but not everything he's done is wrong either. I ignore his tweets and enjoy the stock market returns.

And I'm not going to smile and make googly eyes at some ******* that condones racism, locking children in cages, degrading anyone that has any negative opinion of him, and that acts like a child with the powers he's given.

I'm glad you're extremely binary, but I won't apologize for looking at the world through something other than a toilet paper roll. Enjoy though, I'm glad you dig it.

 

[acbytesla]

Please elaborate.

You must have blinders on to even ask that.

What scam are you referring to?

It seems to me that most if not all politicians turn their (insert title) into a money making venture to enrich themselves, political supporters and friends and family.

The Clintons when they left the White House WERE BROKE. Carter definitely didn't. Neither did George Sr.

Trump has stayed almost exclusively at Trump properties. The government has to lease space at them to protect Trump and his family.

He has countries and corporations since being elected purchasing and/or leasing condos and office space at Trump properties at premium rates. Corporate memberships at his golf courses are being purchased also at premium rates.

For all Trump's talk about not needing the money, he has done nothing but seek ways to make money for himself and his offspring.

 

[Joecool]

The Clintons when they left the White House WERE BROKE. Carter definitely didn't. Neither did George Sr.

Trump has stayed almost exclusively at Trump properties. The government has to lease space at them to protect Trump and his family.

He has countries and corporations since being elected purchasing and/or leasing condos and office space at Trump properties at premium rates. Corporate memberships at his golf courses are being purchased also at premium rates.

For all Trump's talk about not needing the money, he has done nothing but seek ways to make money for himself and his offspring.

Scam: a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"

What you described isn't dishonest or fraudulent.

On the other hand:

‘In 2014 the Clinton foundation gave LESS THAN THREE PERCENT of it’s total cash take to charity’…

You can now see online at the National Center for Charitable Statistics website the 2104 tax return for the Clinton Foundation.

They return is disturbing, to say the least. Given a ‘charitable’ interpretation you would say that the Foundation is disastrously incompetent. A less kind interpretation would be that The Clinton Tax Charity is a fraud that simply exists to enrich it’s it’s employees and directors (who include, obviously, Bill and Hillary).

https://medium.com/@RHennerley/is-the-clinton-foundation-a-scam-a7dbf01fd793

 

[plague311]

Scam: a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"

What you described isn't dishonest or fraudulent.

On the other hand:

https://medium.com/@RHennerley/is-the-clinton-foundation-a-scam-a7dbf01fd793

Haha defending a guy that used his own charity as a slush fund, and instead of it being some ******** opinion, it was actually written in stone and he paid a fine because of it.

How do you stay so oblivious to what's going on all around you?

 

[Shalamar]

Scam: a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
"an insurance scam"

What you described isn't dishonest or fraudulent.

On the other hand:



https://medium.com/@RHennerley/is-the-clinton-foundation-a-scam-a7dbf01fd793

This seems to be incorrect.

Fiorina and others are referring only to the amount donated by the Clinton Foundation to outside charities, ignoring the fact that most of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity.

Simply put, despite its name, the Clinton Foundation is not a private foundation — which typically acts as a pass-through for private donations to other charitable organizations. Rather, it is a public charity. It conducts most of its charitable activities directly.

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/