Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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phunk said:
But the thing is, they can only plead guilty after being charged with a crime. They aren't pleading guilty to things that aren't illegal. They are pleading guilty to things that have made a judge and grand jury say "yup, those are crimes and there's enough evidence to go forward with a trial."
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he plead to an information that was never presented to a grand jury and was presented to the judge for the first time at the plea hearing.

Pretty standard stuff.
 
The Big Dog said:
he plead to an information that was never presented to a grand jury and was presented to the judge for the first time at the plea hearing.

Pretty standard stuff.
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Yep very standard, a criminal admitted his guilt to try and gain some leniency in regards to his sentencing.
 
Darat said:
Yep very standard, a criminal admitted his guilt to try and gain some leniency in regards to his sentencing.
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Yep very standard, the government offered leniency in regards to his (and his wife's) sentencing in exchange for not having to prove all of the elements of the charges by clear and convincing evidence, and to get a plea on charges that it will try to use to go after much bigger fish.

Consensus is cool.
 
The Big Dog said:
Yep very standard, the government offered leniency in regards to his (and his wife's) sentencing in exchange for not having to prove all of the elements of the charges by clear and convincing evidence, and to get a plea on charges that it will try to use to go after much bigger fish.

Consensus is cool.
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Glad to see that you agree the criminal admitted his guilt to numerous criminal charges.
 
Darat said:
Glad to see that you agree the criminal admitted his guilt to numerous criminal charges.
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Glad to see that you agree the government admitted that they struck a deal with Cohen to avoid proving the charges and go after bigger fish.
 
A six million dollar apartment and he can't spring for 18 year?

Oh wait, you don't like ice, never mind. :o
 
Darat said:
How can you plead guilty to something that isn't a crime?
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!!! Analogy Warning !!!

Bob is heroin dealer, who is attacked by an armed robber while walking down a dark alley. Bob shoots and kills the robber. The cops have been following Bob because they suspect he's a heroin dealer, and they witness the shooting. The cops snag Bob up after he kills the robber, and take him in for interrogation. During the interrogation, they tell him that he's under suspicion for being a heroin dealer, which carries a sentence of 25 years... but that murder only carries a sentence of 5 years. Bob isn't completely sure how much info the cops have on him with respect to heroin dealing. The cops offer him a deal: plead guilty to murder and flip on his supplier, and they'll drop the case against him related to heroin dealing. The cops tell Bob that if he doesn't take the plea bargain, they will prosecute for heroin dealing.

Bob didn't commit murder - it was clearly self-defense. But he is willing to plead guilty to murder because it carries a shorter sentence than heroin dealing does.

The action can be cast as a crime, and can be plead to as a crime, without actually having been a crime.
 
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