Mueller Investigation pt 7

[acbytesla]

Have you ever read the dossier? How about this bit of conspiracy theorizing.

"...the Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years..."

So Trump had been conspiring with Putin and Russian intelligence for 5 years so at least since 2011.

"In terms of specifics, Source A confided that the Kremlin had been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, for several years..."

So the Kremlin was plotting with Trump, a reality show star and real estate developer, to run for President in 2016 to thwart the ambitions of Hillary Clinton and this all started in 2011.

"This was confirmed by Source D, a close associate of TRUMP who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow."

So Source D is a close confidant of Trump and managed his recent trips to Moscow. This was written in 2016. Trump is a very public person and launched his campaign for President in June of 2015. His only known trip to Moscow during this time was the Miss America Pageant in 2013. Now if Trump was really making trips to Moscow this would have been very easy for the FBI to confirm. Trump even flies around in a big plane with TRUMP written on the side of it. So why haven't we heard about these trips to Moscow? Because this is just made-up BS.

"Speaking in confidence to a compatriot in late July 2016, Source E, an ethnic Russian close associate of Republican US presidential candidate Donald TRUMP, admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was managed on the TRUMP side...Paul MANAFORT...Mechanism for transmitting this intelligence involves "pension" disbursements to Russian emigres living in US as cover, using consular officials in New York, DC and Miami."

Trump, Manafort and Page, long before the campaign, are secretly running a "two-way flow of intelligence and other useful information" between the Kremlin and Russian emigres living in America. This is being coordinated out of consular offices. But a few minutes searching on the Internet will verify that there was no Russian consulate in Miami.

The source for this conspiracy theory appears to be Sergey Millian. He has been described as a "big talker" and he was likely feeding nonsense to Steele and Simpson. The FBI should have attempted to confirm such idiocy before they sought the FISA warrant on Page.

Maybe you can fill me in on the important and verified portions of the Steele Dossier.




So what was the origin of the Trump-Russia collusion investigation?



You had stated, "the Russian Attacks and the Trump Campaign were never used to attack Trump during the elections..."

The statement by Harry Reid and articles by Michael Isikoff, New York Magazine, and Mother Jones were before the election. David Corn's article was entitled: "A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump." It was published on October 31st, 2016. To say that there weren't stories in the press regarding Trump-Russia collusion before the election is false.



This explosive information about Trump they were sitting on was apparently the Steele Dossier which was paid for political opposition research, not verified intelligence. Information from the dossier was reported in Michael Isikoff's Yahoo article.

You write: "They sat on it and kept it hidden..."

So leaking information from the dossier to the press and using it to obtain a FISA warrant on an American citizen(Carter Page) is sitting on it and keeping it hidden?

p.s. The coup attempt occurred after Trump was elected President.

I'm really not sure what your point is. Do you even know what the Steele dossier is/was? It's referred to as raw intelligence. Which is mostly information that has not been vetted at all. Usually bull **** with a few actual facts sprinkled in. In this case a great amount of it has been proved to be true.

There was no attempted coup. Talk about absurd hyperbole. An investigation or inquiry is not a coup.

There was no

 

[Bogative]

Let me guess: you don't believe Russia interfered in the 2016 election by trying to influence voters with bots or is actively engaging in the same tactics today?

That guess is incorrect.

 

[Lurch]

Have you ever read the dossier? How about this bit of conspiracy theorizing.

"...the Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years..."

So Trump had been conspiring with Putin and Russian intelligence for 5 years so at least since 2011.

"In terms of specifics, Source A confided that the Kremlin had been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, for several years..."

So the Kremlin was plotting with Trump, a reality show star and real estate developer, to run for President in 2016 to thwart the ambitions of Hillary Clinton and this all started in 2011.

"This was confirmed by Source D, a close associate of TRUMP who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow."

So Source D is a close confidant of Trump and managed his recent trips to Moscow. This was written in 2016. Trump is a very public person and launched his campaign for President in June of 2015. His only known trip to Moscow during this time was the Miss America Pageant in 2013. Now if Trump was really making trips to Moscow this would have been very easy for the FBI to confirm. Trump even flies around in a big plane with TRUMP written on the side of it. So why haven't we heard about these trips to Moscow? Because this is just made-up BS.

"Speaking in confidence to a compatriot in late July 2016, Source E, an ethnic Russian close associate of Republican US presidential candidate Donald TRUMP, admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was managed on the TRUMP side...Paul MANAFORT...Mechanism for transmitting this intelligence involves "pension" disbursements to Russian emigres living in US as cover, using consular officials in New York, DC and Miami."

Trump, Manafort and Page, long before the campaign, are secretly running a "two-way flow of intelligence and other useful information" between the Kremlin and Russian emigres living in America. This is being coordinated out of consular offices. But a few minutes searching on the Internet will verify that there was no Russian consulate in Miami.

The source for this conspiracy theory appears to be Sergey Millian. He has been described as a "big talker" and he was likely feeding nonsense to Steele and Simpson. The FBI should have attempted to confirm such idiocy before they sought the FISA warrant on Page.

Maybe you can fill me in on the important and verified portions of the Steele Dossier.




So what was the origin of the Trump-Russia collusion investigation?



You had stated, "the Russian Attacks and the Trump Campaign were never used to attack Trump during the elections..."

The statement by Harry Reid and articles by Michael Isikoff, New York Magazine, and Mother Jones were before the election. David Corn's article was entitled: "A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump." It was published on October 31st, 2016. To say that there weren't stories in the press regarding Trump-Russia collusion before the election is false.



This explosive information about Trump they were sitting on was apparently the Steele Dossier which was paid for political opposition research, not verified intelligence. Information from the dossier was reported in Michael Isikoff's Yahoo article.

You write: "They sat on it and kept it hidden..."

So leaking information from the dossier to the press and using it to obtain a FISA warrant on an American citizen(Carter Page) is sitting on it and keeping it hidden?

p.s. The coup attempt occurred after Trump was elected President.

Cultivating and supporting a pol can be done essentially without the knowledge, and certainly without the connivance of said pol. The kingmakers see a useful stooge, and in the background arrange to push their tool onto the stage of history.

The candidate can then end up obliviously thinking he did it all by himself, or with the legitimate aid of a campaign staff.

 

[Stacyhs]

That guess is incorrect.

Then why these posts?

Originally Posted by Bogative
Is that you, Hillary?

Originally Posted by Bogative
Thanks, Maddow.

 

[Bogative]

Then why these posts?

It was a response to you saying "I see the Russians are busy again" after I posted a link to the New York Times reporting that the Barr/Durham inquiry was now a criminal investigation.

It sounds like something Hillary or Rachel Maddow has blurted out about Russia collision for the last three years, unless you have some kind of evidence that the Russians are behind the latest information relating to the investigation of how the Mueller investigation started.

 

[PhantomWolf]

So what was the origin of the Trump-Russia collusion investigation?

I'll give you a clue, it starts with an "A" and ends in an "A" and many consider it it the largest island on the planet.

You had stated, "the Russian Attacks and the Trump Campaign were never used to attack Trump during the elections..."

Actually I stated that the so called "Deep State" never used them as attacks.

The statement by Harry Reid and articles by Michael Isikoff, New York Magazine, and Mother Jones were before the election. David Corn's article was entitled: "A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump." It was published on October 31st, 2016. To say that there weren't stories in the press regarding Trump-Russia collusion before the election is false.

I never said that there weren't stories in the press, I said that the supposed Deep State never used the information to attack Trump prior to the election. Media reports about Harry Reid's letter are not the people within the FBI releasing information, in fact time and again your links show the same thing, the FBI refused to comment about it. Not exactly the actions of people trying to destroy his chances of winning, in fact they did the opposite and came out and damaged Clinton by dropping a bombshell on her literally weeks prior to the Election

You write: "They sat on it and kept it hidden..."

They did

So leaking information from the dossier to the press and using it to obtain a FISA warrant on an American citizen(Carter Page) is sitting on it and keeping it hidden?

It was not the FBI that leaked the dossier, and since the FISA Warrant was not public, then yes it was kept hidden.

p.s. The coup attempt occurred after Trump was elected President.

You need to stop parroting Trump, there was no coup, not even close. A Coup is a sudden, often violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. Even if Trump was impeached and removed, a legitimate and Constitutional action, then Pence would become President, and even if he had been impeached at the same time, then at the time of the investigation's start, then Paul Ryan would have become President.

Regardless if how you want to mix it, there still would have been a Republican President, and both the House and Senate would have remained intact and also both Republican controlled. There was no violent, illegal seizure of power from the Government, no attempting to overturning of the Government and so there was no coup, not any attempted coup. What there is, is a bunch of lies by a Con-Artist who wants his cultist followers to believe he alone is the Government and the Country, and you are believing him hook, line, and sinker.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It is the irony (well, one of the ironies) of the 2016 election that both the Clinton and the Trump campaign assumed that the FBI was working actively against them.
If either campaign had been much more open and cooperative, they could have both saved themselves a lot of grief.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trumpers are clinging to the nonsense the investigation of Trump was some deep-state plot. I suppose if you believe Trump's gaslighting, a ginned up investigation is all part of the same fantasy.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'm really not sure what your point is. Do you even know what the Steele dossier is/was? It's referred to as raw intelligence. Which is mostly information that has not been vetted at all. Usually bull **** with a few actual facts sprinkled in. In this case a great amount of it has been proved to be true.

There was no attempted coup. Talk about absurd hyperbole. An investigation or inquiry is not a coup.

There was no

The entire "this is a coup" claim is ridiculous. I mean, how is it supposed to work in any way at all? There is no way that the impeachment will allow Democrats to take over the government unless Republicans vote to remove Trump. It's not even hyperbole, it's just idiotic.

 

[a_unique_person]

Trumpers are clinging to the nonsense the investigation of Trump was some deep-state plot. I suppose if you believe Trump's gaslighting, a ginned up investigation is all part of the same fantasy.

They are doing much more than clinging to it. They are building up to a full on attack that is going to cause a lot of heartache before it is over. Trump has got the courts stacked, has powerful media entities behind him and a compliant senate. Trump doesn't know the meaning of ethics or honour, just the low blow and the knife in the back. The fundamentalist xians are 100% behind him and think that this is a war with satan they are fighting. Barr being a prime example.

 

[a_unique_person]

The entire "this is a coup" claim is ridiculous. I mean, how is it supposed to work in any way at all? There is no way that the impeachment will allow Democrats to take over the government unless Republicans vote to remove Trump. It's not even hyperbole, it's just idiotic.

You might think it is ridiculous but they have been claiming this for two years now and every event that has occured since then has only confirmed it in their minds.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You might think it is ridiculous but they have been claiming this for two years now and event that has occured since then has only confirmed it in their minds.

Yes, Republicans will believe the dumbest nonsense conspiracy theories for reasons.

 

[PhantomWolf]

The entire "this is a coup" claim is ridiculous. I mean, how is it supposed to work in any way at all? There is no way that the impeachment will allow Democrats to take over the government unless Republicans vote to remove Trump. It's not even hyperbole, it's just idiotic.

Even if the Republicans did vote to remove Trump it wouldn't allow the Democrats to take over the Government. VP Pence would become President and a new VP would be nominated by Pence and confirmed by a Republican Senate. And even so, the Government itself would remain as is, with the Democrats controlling the House and the Republicans controlling the Senate.

The only thing that removing Trump would do is remove Trump. That's it, and that is not a coup in any way shape or form.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Even if the Republicans did vote to remove Trump it wouldn't allow the Democrats to take over the Government. VP Pence would become President and a new VP would be nominated by Pence and confirmed by a Republican Senate. And even so, the Government itself would remain as is, with the Democrats controlling the House and the Republicans controlling the Senate.

The only thing that removing Trump would do is remove Trump. That's it, and that is not a coup in any way shape or form.

Agreed.

 

[Armitage72]

The only thing that removing Trump would do is remove Trump. That's it, and that is not a coup in any way shape or form.

Haven't you been paying attention? Trump IS America. L'etat, c'est moi. Removing Trump is a blatant attack on America.

 

[phiwum]

Have you ever read the dossier? How about this bit of conspiracy theorizing.

"...the Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years..."

So Trump had been conspiring with Putin and Russian intelligence for 5 years so at least since 2011.

Being supported by and conspiring with are two different things.

 

[Bob001]

Even if the Republicans did vote to remove Trump it wouldn't allow the Democrats to take over the Government. VP Pence would become President and a new VP would be nominated by Pence and confirmed by a Republican Senate. And even so, the Government itself would remain as is, with the Democrats controlling the House and the Republicans controlling the Senate.
....

Note that a new VP would need to be confirmed by both the Senate and the House. That would serve as a moderating influence. The nominee would still be a Republican, but less likely to be a Trumpist. Or it might mean that without agreement, the VP slot would remain vacant until the next election, and the Speaker of the House -- Nancy Pelosi at present -- would be next in line.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2001/03/how-is-a-new-vice-president-chosen.html

 

[Aridas]

Being supported by and conspiring with are two different things.

In this context, having one's views manipulated by Russia is likely included with the term cultivation.

Note that a new VP would need to be confirmed by both the Senate and the House. That would serve as a moderating influence. The nominee would still be a Republican, but less likely to be a Trumpist. Or it might mean that without agreement, the VP slot would remain vacant until the next election, and the Speaker of the House -- Nancy Pelosi at present -- would be next in line.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2001/03/how-is-a-new-vice-president-chosen.html

Which still means that during the first two years, the Republicans who controlled Senate and House would have had complete control when it comes to that and Ryan would have been the next in line, had they actually done their friggin' job. Man, such a power grab by the Democrats!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

They are doing much more than clinging to it. They are building up to a full on attack that is going to cause a lot of heartache before it is over. Trump has got the courts stacked, has powerful media entities behind him and a compliant senate. Trump doesn't know the meaning of ethics or honour, just the low blow and the knife in the back. The fundamentalist xians are 100% behind him and think that this is a war with satan they are fighting. Barr being a prime example.

At this point in time I think Barr is placating Trump. Other than subpoenas to make certain people look guilty, I don't see the courts dealing with this.

It's like asking Zelenski to publicly announce an investigation into Biden. It's like Darryl Issa's and Trey Gowdey's 11 Benghazi hearings. There is no there there and there doesn't need to be. "But her emails." But her emails what? It doesn't matter, just convince people by innuendo.

Are they going to find a DNC server in the Ukraine? Apparently there is no server even if the bizarre CT about it being in Ukraine had substance. The Steele dossier is not what started the investigation. There is overwhelming evidence right there in the Mueller report that Barr's investigation is a farce.

So I don't see anyone getting framed here. This will go on long enough for Trump to use the innuendo. That's all this is about.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Even if the Republicans did vote to remove Trump it wouldn't allow the Democrats to take over the Government. VP Pence would become President and a new VP would be nominated by Pence and confirmed by a Republican Senate. And even so, the Government itself would remain as is, with the Democrats controlling the House and the Republicans controlling the Senate.

The only thing that removing Trump would do is remove Trump. That's it, and that is not a coup in any way shape or form.

One, that is enough. Trump is dangerous.

Two, hopefully it would prevent his reelection, though there is a small risk a backlash will drive people to the polls to vote for him.

No way is Pence electable.