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Mueller Investigation pt 7

PhantomWolf said:
Mueller could have jumped on the table and screamed that Trump was as guilty as sin and the Trumpublicans would still being ignoring it. Blaming him because they refuse to accept the bleeding obvious is targeting the wrong person.
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True, but it would have been nice to see AND it may have changed public sentiment more than it did.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Mueller could have jumped on the table and screamed that Trump was as guilty as sin and the Trumpublicans would still being ignoring it. Blaming him because they refuse to accept the bleeding obvious is targeting the wrong person.
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For some significant fraction, it's probably not wrong to say that they very much do accept the bleeding obvious and either don't care or lie about it "happily." It's unfortunate, but there are a lot of people who have anxiety about the future of the people of their tribe more than the future of their personal health or pocketbook... and that leads to a number of unpleasant choices.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I don't think so. I think Mueller was hamstrung from the beginning because Republicans would only agree to an independent investigation as long as it had no teeth. I also still believe Mueller could have done more than he did.
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The Republicans had no role in establishing the investigation. Rosenstein was the one who created the investigation, all by himself - as far as I am able to determine.
 
Paul2 said:
The Republicans had no role in establishing the investigation. Rosenstein was the one who created the investigation, all by himself - as far as I am able to determine.
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Yes. It also cannot be stated enough that this appointment was not the beginning of the investigation, it was establishing a single independent authority for several related investigations.
 
Paul2 said:
The Republicans had no role in establishing the investigation. Rosenstein was the one who created the investigation, all by himself - as far as I am able to determine.
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Wait, but isn't Rosenstein himself a Republican? And who's to know what behind-the-door talks he may have had or not had with other Republicans in establishing the investigation? Why would you assume Republicans had no role?
 
Cabbage said:
Wait, but isn't Rosenstein himself a Republican? And who's to know what behind-the-door talks he may have had or not had with other Republicans in establishing the investigation? Why would you assume Republicans had no role?
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I was intending to talk about an *official* role for Republicans other than Rosenstein, because it's going to be hard to confirm what happened unofficially. I happy to accept unofficial influence if and when it's confirmed. I can even accept some amount of unofficial influence just on general principles, as no one is an island. But that doesn't mean it was significant or determinative.

My limitation to official role or influence was not explicit, admittedly.
 
Paul2 said:
I was intending to talk about an *official* role for Republicans other than Rosenstein, because it's going to be hard to confirm what happened unofficially. I happy to accept unofficial influence if and when it's confirmed. I can even accept some amount of unofficial influence just on general principles, as no one is an island. But that doesn't mean it was significant or determinative.

My limitation to official role or influence was not explicit, admittedly.
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying there was unofficial influence either. I do tend to expect it anymore, however.
 
The order naming Mueller to run the SCO referred to Comey's testimony before the intelligence committee being the catalyst for taking that action.
 
Hmm...

Minnesota was mentioned just once in the Mueller report. Here's why it matters

1. While Democrats thought the other three states were in play, they didn't think that was true of Minnesota—so the Russians would have known to target the other three states by virtue of having stolen the Democratic playbook, but not Minnesota.

2. The press hadn't pinpointed Minnesota as being in play in either. For instance, a late October Minnesota Star Tribune poll found Clinton widening her lead to 8 points over Trump. Huffington Post's aggregate found a very similar margin across all polls of the state up to Election Day.

3. There was a lot of Russian troll activity in Minnesota, according to Jamison, who thoroughly researched the topic for her recent book, Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President. Before release of the Mueller report, Jamison said, "I could never explain why."

4. The Trump campaign clearly thought it was in play and deployed Trump there only two days before Election Day. "With just days left until Election Day, Donald Trump tried to do what 10 Republican presidential candidates have failed to accomplish: Win Minnesota," reported the St. Paul Pioneer Press on November 6, 2016.

Minnesota is the one state that only the Trump campaign thought was in play, that also saw heightened Russian troll activity, and that also made Manafort's exclusive internal poll briefing in August.

"It was unexpectedly close," Jamieson said of the state. "There's my little piece," she added, "that says, Hmm, if there was going to be coordination, on that one I can't explain it from having the Democratic playbook."
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https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1171095372703207424

House Intel Committee says fired National Security Adviser Michael Flynn failed to comply with a subpoena. They are demanding he appear on September 25. (@mkraju @jeremyherb)
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Article embedded in tweet.

https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1171118302724272130

Michael Flynn’s new lawyers already have guided him off the rails and he’s going to end up behind bars as a result (when he could have coasted to probation if he cooperated fully). This newest shenanigan will hurt him even more at sentencing.
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Flynn's new lawyer Sidney Powell doesn't give a damn about him not going to jail - indeed, she might prefer it since then she could have a talking point about Deep State Show Trials.
 
The New York Times is reporting the Durham probe is now a criminal investigation. This is going to be so much fun!
 
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