Mueller Investigation pt 6

[plague311]

If you'll buy that, I've got a Russian Consulate in Miami, FL. to sale you.

Which other parts haven't been verified?

I think the only other part I can think of is Cohen in Prague, but I'm not sure that was claimed in the Steele dossier or somewhere else.

 

[Craig4]

Maybe Mueller missed that section.

Chris B.

The only place anyone has to prove anything when it comes to Trump is in the ballot box.

 

[phunk]

First, it is precisely and specifically the right to remain silent.

No, it's the right to not answer specific questions under specific circumstances, not used in the way you describe in the post I was replying to:

Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the US, the right to remain silent. The "cops" can ask questions but there is no requirement to answer them. In fact one could simply declare their 5th Amendment rights at the beginning of questioning and quickly end the session.

You can't just plead the fifth and then remain silent through questioning. That's not how it works.

Second, I made no such claim of ignoring subpoenas.

Fair enough.

Third, you do not have to answer questions about other people if you think by doing so you may be implicated in some type of crime.

I just said that. Sorry if that was unclear.

 

[acbytesla]

If you'll buy that, I've got a Russian Consulate in Miami, FL. to sale you.

Please, please tell us the things in the Steele Dossier that haven't been confirmed. There are a few things. I'm curious if you know any of it. Understand the Steele Dossier was NEVER thought to be entirely true. It was raw intelligence.

 

[Cabbage]

I can sum up the rigorous logic and evidence-based standards by the police state liberals that inhabit these forums.

"Trump is guilty of collusion."
Evidence: I hate Trump.

"Trump is guilty of obstruction."
Evidence: I hate Trump

'Trump is Putin's puppet."
Evidence: I hate Trump

"Trump should be impeached."
Evidence: I hate Trump

You're the first poster I've seen that just isn't satisfied with a straw man in a single post; evidently your needs require a straw platoon.

 

[JohnnyG]

We've been over this dozens of times by now, but it never seems to occur to many of the sub-geniuses here to dig any further than "Hillary."

Steele's work was used for opposition research by quite a few Republican primary candidates before it was shopped to Hillary in the run-up to the general election.

Not exactly.

Prior to May, 2016, Fusion GPS was funded by the Washington Free Beacon to provide opposition research on a number of republican candidates, including Trump. "All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier." - Free Beacon

In April, 2016, as Trump was emerging as the likely republican candidate, Fusion GPS was hired by Perkins Coie (Clinton Campaign and DNC). It was two months later in June that Fusion GPS hired Orbis Business Intelligence (Steele's outfit) to look into the Trump/Russia connections. "Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it." - AP

 

[Steve]

Haha, where did you get your Law degree...in a box of Froot Loops?

You are conflating two different things here, 5A and Miranda

5A is part of the US Constitution

Miranda is part of US Jurisprudence

The two things have nothing to do with each other.

You can learn everything to need to know about law by watching crime dramas on US tv.

 

[smartcooky]

Please, please tell us the things in the Steele Dossier that haven't been confirmed. There are a few things. I'm curious if you know any of it. Understand the Steele Dossier was NEVER thought to be entirely true. It was raw intelligence.

He not only doesn't have any idea what has or has not been confirmed, but doesn't even have any idea how to go about finding out!

 

[smartcooky]

Priceless.

Indeed, and 100% correct too!

While Miranda rights might be derived from 5A, they are not the same thing, and they cannot be and are not used the same way

Miranda is a warning: a requirement that the LEO must inform a suspect of their rights, warning them that anything they say could be used in evidence against them in a court of Law. There is no end run around Miranda, it is a hard and fast requirement although not everyone questioned by the Police has to be mirandarised, for example witnesses. Also, a suspect can't just refuse to answer questions; in order for Miranda to come into force, the suspect must invoke his right to legal counsel.

The Fifth Amendment is a right: a right not incriminate yourself; its something available to a witness so as not to incriminate himself when being questioned. However, 5A can be circumvented by offering the witness immunity. If that happens, 5A no longer applies, because the witness' answers no longer risk incriminating him/her..

 

[kookbreaker]

He not only doesn't have any idea what has or has not been confirmed, but doesn't even have any idea how to go about finding out!

But that knock-off version of PragerU on YouTube assured him there was Zero evidence and it was all the media’s fault!!!

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

You can't just plead the fifth and then remain silent through questioning. That's not how it works.
*snipped*

That's exactly how it works in the U.S. Once a citizen invokes the 5th at the beginning of questioning, the session is over. Likewise for testimony in criminal cases. The accused is not required to take the stand.

As long as one does not waive this Right either directly or by prior action or testimony indirectly, a citizen CANNOT be compelled to testify against himself if he feels that testimony may be used in some way to incriminate him.

And that's a fact.

Chris B.

 

[acbytesla]

He not only doesn't have any idea what has or has not been confirmed, but doesn't even have any idea how to go about finding out!

Of course not. They never do. I always wonder if the Trump supporters on social media are simply clueless, Russian paid trolls, or partisan hacks.

The Mueller investigation wasn't launched just because of the Steele Dossier. It was one thing on top of the other.

And Trump in particular didn't help. I've NEVER EVER seen someone act so guilty. Imagine the difference in this whole affair if Trump right from the beginning had encouraged an investigation into Russian meddling? But no, that isn't what Trump did. Nope, he panicked when the cop asked him questions. The sweats broke out. He stuttered his speech and lied and lied so more.

Trump is blaming the cops for his own absurdly guilty behavior.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

HBO might pick this up off you but it needs work.

 

[acbytesla]

That's exactly how it works in the U.S. Once a citizen invokes the 5th at the beginning of questioning, the session is over. Likewise for testimony in criminal cases. The accused is not required to take the stand.

As long as one does not waive this Right either directly or by prior action or testimony indirectly, a citizen CANNOT be compelled to testify against himself if he feels that testimony may be used in some way to incriminate him.

And that's a fact.

Chris B.

I have yet to hear any of these people taking the 5th. They are simply refusing to comply with legal subpoenas. Which they have no right to do.

And guess what Chris? They have no right to hide information about others. The AG and the Treasury Secretary don't have a right not to comply with subpoenas. Hope Hicks doesn't have a right to say "no".either. There must be a genuine concern about self incrimination. And witnesses can be granted immunity and then they have to tell all.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

FTFY and it doesn't surprise anyone.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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But then it gets really interesting - it turns out that certain FBI agents and administrators were well aware of all this BEFORE the Steele dossier was used as 'probable cause' to apply for FISA warrants to spy on Trump campaign personnel and initiate the Mueller Investigation.

[snipped nonsense].

Is it your premise that a paid investigator can't possibly collect evidence?

And I'll just repeat this post. Whenever you find your memory wiped I'll be glad to post it again.

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Then there is the issue the Trumpers want everyone to think the Dossier was discredited. In reality they have been screaming it was biased (which BTW was noted in the FISA Warrant application) while ignoring much of it has been corroborated.

Slate: The Steele Report, Revisited
How much of the infamous document ended up being corroborated elsewhere? A whole lot.

But all of this has been posted, more than once in this thread. It just keeps slipping people's minds.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

In other words, NO COLLUSION!!!!

There were zero indictments pertaining to Trump-Russia collusion. Name one person indicted from the Trump campaign for colluding with Russia?

But there was obstruction of justice and the Trump campaign was well aware of the illegal election interference by the Russians but failed to report it to the FBI.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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Yes, I believe the agents will admit they knew Hillary had access to this material. They will do so because there is really nothing in any way whatsoever alarming or concerning about that being true.

It was also noted on the FISA warrant application.

And once again a search gets a page of hits of the right-wing echo chamber claiming the opposite was true.

Business Insider:The central argument in the Nunes memo may have just been debunked

Officials familiar with the matter told The Washington Post and The New York Times that the DOJ made it clear to the court that information contained in a dossier they submitted as part of a FISA application to surveil Page was politically motivated.

The revelation undercuts the most important claim in Nunes' memo as he seeks to characterize the FBI and the DOJ as corrupt and biased against President Donald Trump.

 

[smartcooky]

And Trump in particular didn't help. I've NEVER EVER seen someone act so guilty. Imagine the difference in this whole affair if Trump right from the beginning had encouraged an investigation into Russian meddling?

This kind of thing always reminds me of the dialogue from "Clear and Present Danger" where Jack Ryan advises the President not to deny or minimise he was a friend of Hardin, the murdered businessman who was found to be laundering money for a Columbian drug cartel.

RYAN: It seems clear that he was laundering money for the Colombian drug cartels.

POTUS: Jesus! I knew the man for 40 years. We went to school together.
We almost went into business together. The press is going to have a field day with this.

CUTTER: No one outside this room knows.

POTUS: They will. They always do. It will come up, you're right about that.

CUTTER: When it does, we'll downplay your relationship with Hardin somehow.
We'll defuse it.

POTUS: (Looking at RYAN) Do you disagree?

RYAN: No. Well, actually, yes. I would go in the other direction. If a reporter asked if you and Hardin were friends, I'd say "good friends". If they asked if you were good friends, I'd say "lifelong friends". Give them no place to go, nothing to report. No story.

Since Trump gets so much of his world-view from Hollywood, I'm surprised he didn't take Jack Ryan's advice, but this is exactly what he should have done.

 

[tanabear]

Have you asked yourself, why would they?


The Mueller Report you have yet to read?

There was no coup attempt except in Trump's pointy little head because he can't stand the evidence that Putin helped Trump win the election. Take a gander at the Trump has a mental illness thread.

But like it has been said numerous times in this thread, some people simply want to believe an unsupported fantasy. Your posts put you in that category.

No, the Mueller investigation was a coup attempt and the coup failed. This is why the Leftists are so upset.

Now how exactly did Putin help Trump win? This is an oft repeated slogan but there is never any evidence behind it.