Mueller Investigation pt 6

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tyr_13 said:
I'm glad you keep pointing this out, and to all who keep presenting evidence and reasoning in such a manner.

But I'm sure you know you're not going to get a valid, reasoned response. The Trump GOP are like any other woo group (flat earthers specifically). They for the most part didn't use reason to get into their position, aren't there to find reasoning, and reasoning isn't going to get them to abandon it. Some few will, which is one reason standard arguments are still useful, but they're really their for emotional reasons. The feeling of belonging, having clear enemies, taking away the need to be accountable for their agency, validating their feelings of grievance... there are many emotional reasons for it.

Any who value their civic duty can rejoin respectable society at any point, but don't hold your breath. They are currently celebrating their leader's welcoming an attack on the US not rising to the level of criminality as a victory over the 'libtards'. Wait for some of them to get through that stage of grief to process the loss of their self-image.
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A relevant and hard hitting Paul Krugman article in NY Times today: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/...&pgtype=Homepage&login=email&auth=login-email
 
Worm said:
In case anyone finds it useful, Axios Visuals have produced a neat little tool to highlight which parts of the Mueller report deal with various topics. Handy if you're looking for something in particular.

https://www.axios.com/explore-a-det...ort-5f7cab5b-9c53-46bc-abaa-bd6b7b3e6d66.html
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I don't know if it was mentioned before, but what is really useful for tea leaves readers is the version the New York Times has published, which is truly searchable and indexed.

I found it reading this interesting technical article (and a follow-up linked there) by the PDF Association. They are not amused about the 139 MB monster the DoJ released, and also not fully satisfied with the NYT version (they want to promote PDF after all), but they admire the effort of the latter. 22 people worked on that thing.

PDF Association said:
Key take-aways
  • If Mueller delivered a "born digital" PDF to Justice, that file was printed and scanned back into a set of low-quality images for release; a disservice to all future users of the document, and also a violation of Section 508 regulations.
  • If Mueller delivered a paper document to the Department of Justice which was subsequently scanned, DoJ's treatment of the document is more understandable, but still non-conforming with Section 508.
  • Irrespective of the evidence and conclusions about the Trump campaign, the Special Counsel's report showcases the essential qualities of static, self-contained, reliable, sharable PDF in a world that increasingly runs on HTML.
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I'm all for Impeachment Investigation - not necessarily actual impeachment.

A pretty bad outcome would be for Trump to step down with a massive stack of pardons before everything about him, his campaign and his businesses is brought to light.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I found it reading this interesting technical article (and a follow-up linked there) by the PDF Association. They are not amused about the 139 MB monster the DoJ released, and also not fully satisfied with the NYT version (they want to promote PDF after all), but they admire the effort of the latter. 22 people worked on that thing.
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Oh, the PDF Association are not amused are they? Well, too bad. It's their own damned fault the best way to properly redact information in the document is to convert to bitmap and back, because anything less has been botched time and again. It's a crap format that should only have ever been used between viewing software and the printer, like it was designed for.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I found it reading this interesting technical article (and a follow-up linked there) by the PDF Association. They are not amused about the 139 MB monster the DoJ released, and also not fully satisfied with the NYT version (they want to promote PDF after all), but they admire the effort of the latter. 22 people worked on that thing.
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Interesting stuff. Clears up a couple of queries I had for sure.
 
I moved the hurricane discussion off to its own thread. Please continue that discussion there.

Also, move a bunch of posts to the general Trump thread. Please keep this thread to discussion of the Mueller Investigation & Report
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
 
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BobTheCoward said:
His efforts to obstruct were unsuccessful. So I don't know how you can conclude from this he can obstruct without consequence.
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I wouldn't conclude that his efforts were unsuccessful. From the Mueller Report:
Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump
Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated
individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.
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Even when individuals testified or agreed to be interviewed, they sometimes
provided information that was false or incomplete, leading to some of the false-statements charges
described above. And the Office faced practical limits on its ability to access relevant evidence as
well-numerous witnesses and subjects lived abroad, and documents were held outside the United
States.

Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct
we investigated-including some associated with the Trump Campaign---deleted relevant
communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature
encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In
such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to
contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared
inconsistent with other known facts.
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given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.
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Beelzebuddy said:
Oh, the PDF Association are not amused are they? Well, too bad. It's their own damned fault the best way to properly redact information in the document is to convert to bitmap and back, because anything less has been botched time and again. It's a crap format that should only have ever been used between viewing software and the printer, like it was designed for.
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I was kind of hoping it would happen this time too.

It's not like Trump's people are known for their computer expertise, in spite of Trump knowing more about tech than anyone.

I guess they let someone competent in the DoJ handle it. There must be a few left.

Probably a Democrat.
 
Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated-including some associated with the Trump Campaign---deleted relevant communicationsor communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In
such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to
contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared
inconsistent with other known facts.
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What? Missing emails? Maybe Trump should invite Russia to find them.
 
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