Mueller Investigation pt 6

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quadraginta said:
Not really. What is critical is what Papadopoulos thought his identity was.
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What's critical for tanabear is that the Steele Dossier be the sole basis for the original FBI investigation, which requires that Mifsud's identity (or even existence) be potentially an invention of Christopher Steele. Papadopoulos's thoughts, should he ever have any, are frankly irrelevant.
 
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“Jerry Nadler’s Trump Bashing Show Is A Bust.” Headline, New York Post. @foxandfriends
The Greatest Witch Hunt of all time continues. All crimes were by the other side, but the Committee refuses to even take a look. Deleting 33,000 Emails is the real Obstruction - and much more!

“Mueller has spoken. He found No Collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians. The bottom line is what the Democrat House is doing is trying to destroy the Trump Presidency (which has been a tremendous success), and I can assure you that we’re done with the Mueller......

....investigation in the Senate. They can talk to John Dean until the cows come home, we’re not doing anything in the Senate regarding the Mueller Report. We are going to harden our Infrastructure against 2020!”
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PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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“Jerry Nadler’s Trump Bashing Show Is A Bust.” Headline, New York Post. @foxandfriends
The Greatest Witch Hunt of all time continues. All crimes were by the other side, but the Committee refuses to even take a look. Deleting 33,000 Emails is the real Obstruction - and much more!

“Mueller has spoken. He found No Collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians. The bottom line is what the Democrat House is doing is trying to destroy the Trump Presidency (which has been a tremendous success), and I can assure you that we’re done with the Mueller......

....investigation in the Senate. They can talk to John Dean until the cows come home, we’re not doing anything in the Senate regarding the Mueller Report. We are going to harden our Infrastructure against 2020!”
@LindseyGrahamSC

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!
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Graham is just mad because he tried to lecture Dean on Watergate one time and Dean had to repeatedly correct him until finally adding "you seem to not quite have a grasp of the details of that matter" to much snickering and embarrassment for Graham.
 
The House votes to hold AG Barr and Don McGahn In civil contempt. Party line vote was: 229-191.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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“Jerry Nadler’s Trump Bashing Show Is A Bust.” Headline, New York Post. @foxandfriends
The Greatest Witch Hunt of all time continues. All crimes were by the other side, but the Committee refuses to even take a look. Deleting 33,000 Emails is the real Obstruction - and much more!....
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Just think if they would have found Clinton guilty and given her a wrist slap, that would have ended it. They could bitch her punishment was rigged but they couldn't go on and on and on about needing an investigation.
 
Elagabalus said:
It's where you've apparently been getting your information.

And speaking of dossier. I've been going over yours. According to your posting history here you've gone from everybody in the US Government is evil* to everybody in the US Government is evil except Donald Trump since you were here last.

*well, they perpetrated 9/11 after all.
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It isn't where I get my info from because I had no idea what Q-Anon was till you pointed it out. I still don't really.

*The 9/11 Cabal is very different from the US government.

Aridas said:
You keep trying to push this, despite being laughed at for how obvious it makes it that you either fell hard for dishonest talking points or are one of the people who are behind them. You're trying to demand completely nonsensical ways to determine the effects of the Russian efforts and complaining that we're not indulging your nonsense.
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If there was a disinformation campaign by Russia why is it nonsensical to ask what the false information was and how many Americans believed it? I can do this with other disinformation campaigns by western media/intelligence. We can even do it for Trump-Russia collusion. But for some reason these other disinformation campaigns are like phantoms, often talked about but rarely seen.

CapelDodger said:
What's critical for tanabear is that the Steele Dossier be the sole basis for the original FBI investigation, which requires that Mifsud's identity (or even existence) be potentially an invention of Christopher Steele. Papadopoulos's thoughts, should he ever have any, are frankly irrelevant.
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No, the basis for the FBI Crossfire Hurricane counter-intelligence investigation(starting July 31, 2016) was George Papadopoulos's meeting with Joseph Mifsud on April 26, 2016. The Steele Dossier was the basis for the FISA warrant on Carter Page. This was not granted till October 21, 2016. The Steele Dossier doesn't mention Joseph Mifsud at all.

I mean what an amazing coincidence. The Steele Dossier was attempting to show a Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy dating back 5 years. George Papadopoulos, whose expertise is in the Levant and has never been to Russia or met a Russian, announces on March 2016 that he will be working for the Trump campaign. Once he does his associates at the LCILP are very eager for him to meet this Maltese professor in Rome, Joseph Mifsud. Even though Mifsud has worked with western governments for years, he just happens to be a secret "Russian agent." However, all of Mifsud's other relations are never scrutinized or called into question. No, it us just PapaD and his interactions with Mifsud, a few meetings and some e-mail exchanges, that almost politically paralyze our nation for two years.
 
tanabear said:
If there was a disinformation campaign by Russia why is it nonsensical to ask what the false information was and how many Americans believed it? I can do this with other disinformation campaigns by western media/intelligence.
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Again, you're revealing that you simply don't understand what was going on in the first place. Take, for example, the many, many fake Facebook accounts that were portrayed as local people that were used to try to influence the people in that area to vote one way or well, not vote in another. What's the inherent disinformation there? That those people were actually real and speaking from a position of sincerity and honest caring, first and foremost, before getting to any specifics of what was posted onto those accounts. That's inherently different from the information that you're demanding and gets to the heart of much of the social media manipulation. A bunch of the stuff targeting blacks, specifically, was basically examples of police violence and brutality towards blacks, frequently combined with the Russian account claiming to be a black person taking a principled stand to abstain from voting in protest.

To address disinformation more specifically... given the state of the right-wing bubble and the frequent aversion there to paying attention to the whole picture in favor of cherry-picking facts to back up a specific narrative, it's frequently hard to distinguish between whether disinformation actually came from Russia and was then amplified by the right or came from propagandists on the right and was simply amplified by Russia. As was noted, your "some Facebook ads" claim was just one example of you pretty clearly repeating disinformation.

tanabear said:
We can even do it for Trump-Russia collusion. But for some reason these other disinformation campaigns are like phantoms, often talked about but rarely seen.
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tanabear said:
No, it us just PapaD and his interactions with Mifsud, a few meetings and some e-mail exchanges, that almost politically paralyze our nation for two years.
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Politically paralyze? Yeah, you really, really weren't paying attention. Sorry, but the "Party of NO!" just hasn't been putting forth any real effort to do actual governing for the last decade, even when they controlled the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. During that stretch, they killed pretty much everything themselves, even after making just about all of it way too odious for Democrats to agree to and showing off that all the principles they've been yammering about were nothing more than base excuses for partisanship. Democrats did offer compromise on many matters, but, well... Republicans refused. "It's my way or the highway" is usually not the most effective tactic when one doesn't have absolute power, for some strange reason.

Blaming the political paralysis in DC on Trump-Russia stuff is a pathetic joke, and nothing more. Well, unless you're actually claiming that the Republican Party is in Russia's pocket, which very sadly isn't actually far-fetched at all, after all the money from Russia that's been funneled into supporting them through, for example, the NRA, and how eager McConnell is to lift sanctions to accept money that has a serious risk of being mob money.
 
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Belz... said:
Now you're just being ridiculous. Are you telling me that Trump's behaviour is fake news? Are the various recordings of him saying what he says and doing what he does some sort of CGI deep fake?

What specific bit of fake news are you refering to? Do you deny that he admitted to firing Comey because of the Russia investigation? That's the behaviour of a guilty man. And that's one of hundreds of examples.

Where's the fake news, there? Your reflexive defense of Trump is ridiculous. Get off the cult train. You're the one who needs to get back to reality.



Many of us are not convinced that impeachment is a viable or preferable solution. You're talking out of your ass.
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Hellooooo? Tanabear?
 
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