Mossad agent arrested in Hamas assassination case

[DC]

Was never on a high horse.

its harder to see while sitting on the horse as when others see you galloping on your high horse

 

[MaGZ]

ties, connections, links, associations, etc etc etc.

im sure everyone in Germany had a friend, or neighbor, or relative, who was a member of the Nazi party.

that doesn't change the fact that at its height...the Nazis only had 8.5 million members.

As General Patton said, they joined the Nazi Party like people in American become Democrats or Republicans.

 

[MaGZ]

actually....no.

"ties" suggests a willing choice to have relations with the Nazi party, while not being an actual member.

having a neighbor or relative who is a Nazi, does not make one a Nazi or a criminal.

I have relatives who are right-wing Zionist extremists. Does that make me...a right-wing Zionist?

certainly not.

Do you agree the SS should have never been declared a criminal organization after the war?

 

[MaGZ]

the people of Gaza are hostages in their own land. i have no doubt that if there was another election, just in Gaza, Hamas would be kicked out of power.

I think they would win with a larger majority. Who are they going to turn to, the collaborators of the PA?

 

[MaGZ]

Good point. ALL Israelis have a link with the illegal settlers. ALL Israelis have a link with IDF soldiers.

Does this mean that ALL Israelis are now legitimate targets?

AQ takes it a bit further, all Jews and Americans are legitimate targets.

 

[Mycroft]

Because there are two issues here. They should not be sneaking into other countries to kill people. They should not be using people passports to enable them to do it.

OK?

Right. There is a big issue and a little issue.

Assassination is a big issue. Forging or faking a passport for a clandestine operation is not.

Except they were shown all over the world. It was a botched job. Outcome was as they wanted as far as the dead man goes but not if you look at how this has turned out for Israel. One man was worth all that?

I could be that part of the purpose of an operation like that is to serve as a warning to others who might want to take his place.

And as someone who has faced an enemy, I do not care if you agree with whether it is cowardly or not. What is the most daring thing you have done?

Oh yawn. I wish I had a nickel for every yahoo who served up their own military credentials, real or faked, as evidence that they and only they were qualified to offer an opinion.

Taking part in a clandestine operation to kill someone takes a certain amount of courage. That's true regardless of your agreement with the politics behind the operation. Courageous and reprehensible are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Mycroft]

I wonder how Israelis and Uber-Zionists would respond if MI6 sent a crack team of commandos to go into Israel, using fake passports, to take out a member of the Irgun who helped blow up the King David Hotel and killed scores of innocents.

Given that the Irgun in its day was considered a radical organization and condemned by the majority of Zionists for their extreme methods, you would likely get a lot of mixed feelings.

If they did it after Israel was founded and the Irgun had been demilitarized, then I'm sure it would be seen as a hostile action against Israel. If they did it before Israel had been founded, I'm sure it would be seen as an effort to eliminate violent criminals and keep order.

Either way, I doubt you would have many fools not complaining about the killing but focusing on a minor point of faking some passports to do it.

 

[Thunder]

Given that the Irgun in its day was considered a radical organization and condemned by the majority of Zionists for their extreme methods, you would likely get a lot of mixed feelings.

If they did it after Israel was founded and the Irgun had been demilitarized, then I'm sure it would be seen as a hostile action against Israel.

Ah, so one could see Israel's use of faked passports as a hostile act against the countries involved?

 

[Mycroft]

Ah, so one could see Israel's use of faked passports as a hostile act against the countries involved?

Your scenario was MI6 going into Israel to kill Israelis, which would be a hostile act against Israel. If instead they used fake passports to go into Israel to kill a Frenchman, I don't see how that would be considered a hostile act against Israel. It might be a hostile act against France, depending on who it was that was killed.

Consider a different scenario. If MI6 used fake passports to get a team into the US to kill a highly ranked US official. It would be hard for anyone to see that as anything other than an attack on the US. On the other hand, if MI6 used fake passports to get a team into the US to kill a highly ranked IRA terrorist, that would be an attack on the IRA.

Nice try, though.

 

[funk de fino]

Right. There is a big issue and a little issue.

Assassination is a big issue. Forging or faking a passport for a clandestine operation is not.

Not quite faking though was it? Bit dishonest there eh? Real peoples passports. Try again. Two issues both illegal. Both taken seriously

I could be that part of the purpose of an operation like that is to serve as a warning to others who might want to take his place.

As suspected Israel have an "end justifies the means policy". regardless of illegalities.

It could have been as you saidbut as they wanted it to look like natural death I severely doubt it.

Oh yawn. I wish I had a nickel for every yahoo who served up their own military credentials, real or faked, as evidence that they and only they were qualified to offer an opinion.

Taking part in a clandestine operation to kill someone takes a certain amount of courage. That's true regardless of your agreement with the politics behind the operation. Courageous and reprehensible are not mutually exclusive.

No, it does not. Not more courage than doing it with your own passport. Not facing up to your enemy.

 

[funk de fino]

Yep. And still no actual term that means anything. Its not surprising to what ends you would go to continue being disingenuous. So you going to explain what you mean by doorstep? Backyard?

Gaza is doorstep or backyard. Dubai is not. Gaza is not in Israel and I never claimed otherwise. You lied and said I did.

Still has nothing to do with your original claim. Explain how a barrier/border/whatever on the Egyptian side has to do with Israel? Yep, nothing.

Is there or is there not a wall surrounding gaza? Was some of that wall built by Israel? Is there one on the West Bank too?

How is it incorrect? Stated already that capture was attempted on a number of occasions. All other options were exhausted.

Because Interpol will see to it they pay for their crimes.

Seeing as Interpol didn't give a hoot about this Hamas killing Israelis, why should Israel care about what Interpol thinks.

Israel and Hamas are in conflict. What Israel does in Gaza and what Hamas to in Israel is probaly not their issue. When you break the law in another country and let your grubby antics spill into other countries then it becomes an Interpol problem. Like when you shot that bloke.

Targetted killing of a terrorist. Very extremist.

No, your end justifies the means views.

Used to establish use of British agents were not in uniform. Which it has done effectively.

You never read it did you? David Shayler is like quoting David Icke. SAS (military) were undercover in the country. Even when I was there I had to grow my hair and not wear uniform in public off duty. This is not agents using false passports that belong to real people killing criminals in other countries. NI is British. Fail again.

Not necessarily concerned about Shayler, but the buzz around the story about the plot, which has been supported by other intelligence experts:
MI6 'halted bid to arrest bin Laden'

Steaknife was woo. The MI5 were not the agents it was the FRU. They were using other terrorists to kill terrorists. Alledgedly. I thought you would support that.

Was never on a high horse.

What was that about Ireland again? Best to avoid that faux pas eh?

 

[bigjelmapro]

Gaza is doorstep or backyard. Dubai is not. Gaza is not in Israel and I never claimed otherwise. You lied and said I did.

So can I gather from this that you mean neighbor?

Is there or is there not a wall surrounding gaza? Was some of that wall built by Israel? Is there one on the West Bank too?

There's NO wall surrounding Gaza, as I've said before the Gaza-Israel border is chainlink fence. Irrelevant, once again.

Because Interpol will see to it they pay for their crimes.

Circular argument. Israel's security concerns still trumps Interpol. Interpol lists him as "Palestinian national and Hamas official" and no mention that he was wanted by Israel for murder of Israelis. So too bad for Interpol and their token arrest warrants.

Israel and Hamas are in conflict. What Israel does in Gaza and what Hamas to in Israel is probaly not their issue. When you break the law in another country and let your grubby antics spill into other countries then it becomes an Interpol problem. Like when you shot that bloke.

Ah, so now its antics. Its called targetted killing of a known terrorist that is a threat to Israel and killed Israelis. Dubai allowed a known terrorist into their country, so they can clean up their own mess when dealing with terrorist organizations. End of story.

You never read it did you? David Shayler is like quoting David Icke. SAS (military) were undercover in the country. Even when I was there I had to grow my hair and not wear uniform in public off duty. This is not agents using false passports that belong to real people killing criminals in other countries. NI is British. Fail again.

Didn't read the article linked then. Out of uniform is all I had to establish. Simple.

Here's another article summing up how British intelligence continues outsourcing their work to other intelligence agencies:

Assassination and the license to kill

But just as long as you continue to convince yourself that complacency means one's still innocent Oh, and the mulitple charges against MI6 in their complacency in torture of foreigners. Whoops, another one.

Steaknife was woo. The MI5 were not the agents it was the FRU. They were using other terrorists to kill terrorists. Alledgedly. I thought you would support that.

Outsourced once again, which would make them British agents, just like those people alleged to be mossad agents that killed that Hamas terrorist filth in Dubai.

 

[funk de fino]

So can I gather from this that you mean neighbor?

Gaza is on your doorstep OK?

There's NO wall surrounding Gaza, as I've said before the Gaza-Israel border is chainlink fence. Irrelevant, once again.

This is what I posted.

No, it's not. Gaza is. Scared to go there? Is that why you built a big wall?

Israel built a wall on the Egypt side. Yes?

Circular argument. Israel's security concerns still trumps Interpol. Interpol lists him as "Palestinian national and Hamas official" and no mention that he was wanted by Israel for murder of Israelis. So too bad for Interpol and their token arrest warrants.

End justifies the means eh? Legalities mean nothing to you lot? Nice one, carry on with that course of action. It seems to be turning world opinion against you. That is some feat.

Ah, so now its antics. Its called targetted killing of a known terrorist that is a threat to Israel and killed Israelis. Dubai allowed a known terrorist into their country, so they can clean up their own mess when dealing with terrorist organizations. End of story.

Dubai should deny him entry why?

Didn't read the article linked then. Out of uniform is all I had to establish. Simple.

Epic fail. You tried a two wrongs makes a right argument and couldn't even do that right.

Here's another article summing up how British intelligence continues outsourcing their work to other intelligence agencies:

Assassination and the license to kill

By your standards that is not evidence eh? You still do not get it do you. It does not matter who does it it is still wrong. The British Govt was wrong if this happened on their watch even though it was still not in another country, the Russians are wrong when they do it here. Israel are also wrong when they do it. Hamas are also wrong when they do it.

But just as long as you continue to convince yourself that complacency means one's still innocent Oh, and the mulitple charges against MI6 in their complacency in torture of foreigners. Whoops, another one.

See above. Our govt has announced an inquiry into this. There will be repercussions for those who have done wrong. Your lot will get medals and be feted.

Outsourced once again, which would make them British agents, just like those people alleged to be mossad agents that killed that Hamas terrorist filth in Dubai.

Covert ops in our own country. The UFF were not British agents. Apples and oranges.

 

[funk de fino]

Your scenario was MI6 going into Israel to kill Israelis, which would be a hostile act against Israel. If instead they used fake passports to go into Israel to kill a Frenchman, I don't see how that would be considered a hostile act against Israel. It might be a hostile act against France, depending on who it was that was killed.

It would be a criminal act in France.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Gaza is on your doorstep OK?

So neighbor?

This is what I posted.

Israel built a wall on the Egypt side. Yes?

You posted many irrelevant things. This was never a discussion about who built anything on the Gaza-Egypt side. Refer to original lame attempt of yours to deflect:

Do it in your own back garden.

Dubai is.

No, it's not. Gaza is. Scared to go there? Is that why you built a big wall?

So irrelevant. Not applicable. Deflection. Anything more to add?

End justifies the means eh? Legalities mean nothing to you lot? Nice one, carry on with that course of action. It seems to be turning world opinion against you. That is some feat.

Good you've given up the Interpol angle of it since Interpol utterly fails in linking this dirty terrorist with the murder of Israelis. Convenient omission.

Find it hilarious that 'world opinion' would side with a known terrorist, but if you think there's any truth to the international community siding with a terrorist, by all means, enjoy the fairy-tale.

Dubai should deny him entry why?

Not good for business I guess. Dubai let a known terrorist in, which isn't uncommon for Dubai, and this is the end result.

Epic fail. You tried a two wrongs makes a right argument and couldn't even do that right.

Two wrongs don't make a right, end justifies the means....anything else you would like to add since you've utterly failed to defend common intelligence agency practices worldwide? Guess not.

By your standards that is not evidence eh? You still do not get it do you. It does not matter who does it it is still wrong. The British Govt was wrong if this happened on their watch even though it was still not in another country, the Russians are wrong when they do it here. Israel are also wrong when they do it. Hamas are also wrong when they do it.

Happened on their watch. Nice one. Complacency and active involvement in aforementioned acts is all I needed to prove. Done and dusted.

See above. Our govt has announced an inquiry into this. There will be repercussions for those who have done wrong. Your lot will get medals and be feted.

Yeah, another 30 year investigation, few hundred million pounds down the drain, and a statement of apology. Noted. Israel could just wait the 30 years, save the money, and apologize for using passports, albeit, not killing that terrorist filth.

Covert ops in our own country. The UFF were not British agents. Apples and oranges.

Working for the British = British agents. Simple. In and out of the UK. Refer to previous about complacency and active involvement in.

 

[funk de fino]

So neighbor?

Backyard, doorstep. Call it what you want pal.

You posted many irrelevant things. This was never a discussion about who built anything on the Gaza-Egypt side. Refer to original lame attempt of yours to deflect:

So I said you built a big wall and I proved you did. Got it.

So irrelevant. Not applicable. Deflection. Anything more to add?

You built a wall. You built a fence. Are you scared?

Good you've given up the Interpol angle of it since Interpol utterly fails in linking this dirty terrorist with the murder of Israelis. Convenient omission.

Have you given Interpol any proof of this guys actions? Interpol will get your guys.

Find it hilarious that 'world opinion' would side with a known terrorist, but if you think there's any truth to the international community siding with a terrorist, by all means, enjoy the fairy-tale.

That is a lie. We are not siding with a terrorist. We are castigating Israel for carrying out offensive and illegal actions. I could not care less about the terrorist. It could have been an innocent. It's not like you havent done that before.

Not good for business I guess. Dubai let a known terrorist in, which isn't uncommon for Dubai, and this is the end result.

Who told them he was a terrorist?

Two wrongs don't make a right, end justifies the means....anything else you would like to add since you've utterly failed to defend common intelligence agency practices worldwide? Guess not.

Not common, you have failed to prove the British did this. Even if you could it still makes it wrong. How much fail can you throw into one thread?

Happened on their watch. Nice one. Complacency and active involvement in aforementioned acts is all I needed to prove. Done and dusted.

In our own country, with their own passports. And even then it is not proven it is allegations from known false whitle blowers. Beleive me mate I know more about Shayler and steaknife than you.

Yeah, another 30 year investigation, few hundred million pounds down the drain, and a statement of apology. Noted. Israel could just wait the 30 years, save the money, and apologize for using passports, albeit, not killing that terrorist filth.

We try to get the truth unlike your lot.

Working for the British = British agents. Simple. In and out of the UK. Refer to previous about complacency and active involvement in.

In our country, only allegations from known liars and fale whistle blowers. Not using them as agents. Just not preventing them or arresting them if they did kill someone at best.

It is not difficult. Say sorry for using the passports, say sorry to Dubai for doing this illegally in their country and then move on. Then keep your dirty laundry in your own place.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Backyard, doorstep. Call it what you want pal.

So neighbor?

So I said you built a big wall and I proved you did. Got it.

You see what I posted? Was talking about Dubai, then you started to talk about a wall between Egypt-Gaza. So still irrelevant.

You built a wall. You built a fence. Are you scared?

Trying to understand what the point of this is. There's terrorists trying and have been trying to get into Israel via Gaza for decades. Unless one wants to be a lemming and trust that the desert dust angels will stop the terrorists, wouldn't you build something?

But I'm sure there's no such thing in other countries...

Have you given Interpol any proof of this guys actions? Interpol will get your guys.

Proof? If you're such a fan of wikipedia, you can see for yourself this terrorist's gloating of killing Israelis. There's even pictures.

Interpol probably won't. End result is still the same, Israel managed to kill this terrorist filth.

That is a lie. We are not siding with a terrorist. We are castigating Israel for carrying out offensive and illegal actions. I could not care less about the terrorist. It could have been an innocent. It's not like you havent done that before.

No, token deportation of an Israeli minister from Ireland, UK and Australia for you lemmings. Mossad still operates in the UK.

British agents killed a 'dangerous' pensioner. Yikes.

Not common, you have failed to prove the British did this. Even if you could it still makes it wrong. How much fail can you throw into one thread?

Have done it, typical glossing over as usual. Hard of reading I take it.

In our own country, with their own passports. And even then it is not proven it is allegations from known false whitle blowers. Beleive me mate I know more about Shayler and steaknife than you.

Evidence of this? I'm sure you checked their papers yourself.

We try to get the truth unlike your lot.

Token investigations. Token apologies. Check.

In our country, only allegations from known liars and fale whistle blowers. Not using them as agents. Just not preventing them or arresting them if they did kill someone at best.

Outsourcing, paying still are British agents. Bit thick I see.

It is not difficult. Say sorry for using the passports, say sorry to Dubai for doing this illegally in their country and then move on. Then keep your dirty laundry in your own place.

Probably have already to the countries of the passports used. Dubai can shove it.

 

[funk de fino]

So neighbor?

can you read?

You see what I posted? Was talking about Dubai, then you started to talk about a wall between Egypt-Gaza. So still irrelevant.

Then you told lies about the wall.

Trying to understand what the point of this is. There's terrorists trying and have been trying to get into Israel via Gaza for decades. Unless one wants to be a lemming and trust that the desert dust angels will stop the terrorists, wouldn't you build something?

We did not build a wall in the UK?

But I'm sure there's no such thing in other countries...

See above

Proof? If you're such a fan of wikipedia, you can see for yourself this terrorist's gloating of killing Israelis. There's even pictures.

Thats your proof? Wikki? Ho ho.

Interpol probably won't. End result is still the same, Israel managed to kill this terrorist filth.

So you did not give them anything.

No, token deportation of an Israeli minister from Ireland, UK and Australia for you lemmings. Mossad still operates in the UK.

Irrelevant post again. Deal with the post or ignore it.

British agents killed a 'dangerous' pensioner. Yikes.

Off topic.

Have done it, typical glossing over as usual. Hard of reading I take it.

Another lie.

Evidence of this? I'm sure you checked their papers yourself.

Why would they need a false passport in their own country?

Token investigations. Token apologies. Check.

Another lie.

Outsourcing, paying still are British agents. Bit thick I see.

Another lie and a nonsense post with an ad hom to boot.

Probably have already to the countries of the passports used. Dubai can shove it.

Very mature. All this boils down to is that you fail to see that illegalities are wrong. You try and blame other for doing so even though they are wrong too. Two wrongs do not make something right.

Your govt is getting very touchy and cracks are appearing due to this and the blockade thing with the Turks. Hopefully the hawk clowns will get elbowed by your PM.

 

[bigjelmapro]

can you read?

Sure I can. So neighbor?

Then you told lies about the wall.

Was never talking about the wall. Only you in that strange corner of yours.

We did not build a wall in the UK?

Wasn't talking specifically about the UK. Since you've been harping on about N. Ireland being part of the UK, then we're obviously talking about the Peace lines. In terms of size, its tiny compared to the fencing between the Israel-Gaza border.

If the situation were to change between Hamas and Israel, then I'm sure the fencing would be called the 'peace fence'.

For the rest of the world, there's plenty of examples. But as the British agents not wearing uniform skit you tried earlier which failed utterly, the Peace lines will suffice.

Thats your proof? Wikki? Ho ho.

Oh really? Avoidance once again.

So you did not give them anything.

Come again?

Irrelevant post again. Deal with the post or ignore it.

Token eviction of a minister is dealing with it. Mossad and other intelligence agencies will continue to be outsourced by the UK since British intelligence agencies are either utterly inept or want to keep them supposedly blemish-free reputation. (bit of sarcasm there if you didn't notice)

Off topic.

Nope. Whinging about an 'innocent' killed by mossad agents in a case of mistaken identity after the Black October attack in the 1980's, then this is applicable.

Another lie.

Yep, just like your Egypt-Gaza wall deflection and irrelevant drivel.

Why would they need a false passport in their own country?

Who says they even had papers to begin with? Can you back this up? Guess not.

Another lie.

Stating the obvious. Don't be embarrassed.

Another lie and a nonsense post with an ad hom to boot.

The British outsourced and will continue to outsource. Provided a few articles and examples to boot. And cease with the hypocrisy about ad homs. Getting a bit laughable.

Very mature. All this boils down to is that you fail to see that illegalities are wrong. You try and blame other for doing so even though they are wrong too. Two wrongs do not make something right.

I don't see illegalities about targetted killings. Especially when, as I've stated, all routes have been exhausted. Or do you would to provide a counter-claim where Israel hasn't tried to arrest the terrorist in question numerous times and tried to kill him in the disputed territories? Guess not.

Interpol stating in their description that this terrorist killed Israelis? Guess not.

Your govt is getting very touchy and cracks are appearing due to this and the blockade thing with the Turks. Hopefully the hawk clowns will get elbowed by your PM.

Yep. Just like Hezbollah and Hamas crying out that Israel is coming to an end. Heard it all before.

Probably at one point Israel will cease bending over to retain a positive relationship with its past allie, Turkey, and the Turkish government will finally admit that they had a hand in the outcome of this debacle, since they supported this IHH flotilla and all.

I enjoy watching you getting dragged off behind that high horse of yours now. Hawk. Another golden nugget.

 

[funk de fino]

Sure I can. So neighbor?

OK, so you cant read.

Was never talking about the wall. Only you in that strange corner of yours.

Why answer in the first place?

Wasn't talking specifically about the UK. Since you've been harping on about N. Ireland being part of the UK, then we're obviously talking about the Peace lines. In terms of size, its tiny compared to the fencing between the Israel-Gaza border.

Fail again. See above.

If the situation were to change between Hamas and Israel, then I'm sure the fencing would be called the 'peace fence'.

We all wish.

For the rest of the world, there's plenty of examples. But as the British agents not wearing uniform skit you tried earlier which failed utterly, the Peace lines will suffice.

Fail again. In our own country. Big difference.

Oh really? Avoidance once again.

Wiki. Ho ho.

Come again?

You never gave Interpol evidence then?

Token eviction of a minister is dealing with it. Mossad and other intelligence agencies will continue to be outsourced by the UK since British intelligence agencies are either utterly inept or want to keep them supposedly blemish-free reputation. (bit of sarcasm there if you didn't notice)

More lies and irelevance.

Nope. Whinging about an 'innocent' killed by mossad agents in a case of mistaken identity after the Black October attack in the 1980's, then this is applicable.

Yes, an innocent.

Yep, just like your Egypt-Gaza wall deflection and irrelevant drivel.

You answered. Incorrectly as well.

Who says they even had papers to begin with? Can you back this up? Guess not.

Usually they do not need any papers in your own country. Epic fail. Why have fake passports?

Stating the obvious. Don't be embarrassed.

See above

The British outsourced and will continue to outsource. Provided a few articles and examples to boot. And cease with the hypocrisy about ad homs. Getting a bit laughable.

Apples and oranges and you know it. This is not about killing in ANOTHER country.

I don't see illegalities about targetted killings. Especially when, as I've stated, all routes have been exhausted. Or do you would to provide a counter-claim where Israel hasn't tried to arrest the terrorist in question numerous times and tried to kill him in the disputed territories? Guess not.

If it is not illegal then why are Interpol chasing them?

Interpol stating in their description that this terrorist killed Israelis? Guess not.

One guy they want is Mossad no?

Yep. Just like Hezbollah and Hamas crying out that Israel is coming to an end. Heard it all before.

Lieberman is not happy at the PM and FS eh?

Probably at one point Israel will cease bending over to retain a positive relationship with its past allie, Turkey, and the Turkish government will finally admit that they had a hand in the outcome of this debacle, since they supported this IHH flotilla and all.

Arrogance noted.

I enjoy watching you getting dragged off behind that high horse of yours now. Hawk. Another golden nugget.

Yes, some real hawks in your govt.