Split Thread Mormons and marriage

Bob Blaylock said:
I guess in Brigham Young's time as well as our own, sarcasm tended to go too easily above some people's heads.
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Sure Bob, anything to maintain faith. Hey, I know, we'll say it's sarcasm. You keep telling yourself that. Was "Adam God" sarcasm? What about "Blood Doctrine", sarcasm?
 
RandFan said:
Sure Bob, anything to maintain faith. Hey, I know, we'll say it's sarcasm. You keep telling yourself that. Was "Adam God" sarcasm? What about "Blood Doctrine", sarcasm?
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Everybody knows that whole Jesus thing was just a little prank that got way out of hand.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Forcing others to undergo our temple rites...
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No.

It also appears that you have forgotten your Primary lessons on the War in Heaven, or you'd have remembered that forced conversions are considered to be literally satanic under Mormonism.
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You are sure adept at straw men. I never said anything about forced conversion. You can live in Saudia Arabia without converting. You are STILL living in a theocratic state.

Incidentally, preserving the Constitution of the United States, necessarily precludes the formation of a theocratic regime.
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Depends on how you define "preserve". I agree that it does but that doesn't mean the LDS church respects what the Constitution precludes.

The U.S. Constitution and Mormonism

...we are grieved and shocked when the Supreme Court renders a decision ruling that it is unconstitutional for the Federal Government of any State to require a "belief in the existence of God" as a qualification for public office... --David O. McKay Oct. 1961 General Conference
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Contrast that to the U.S. Constitution.

No Religious Test Clause

...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. --U.S. Constitution Article VI, paragraph 3
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Please think about that carefully. The Constitution says plainly, "no religious test". The Mormon prophet can't figure out how "no religious test" is constitutional. And in fact, he is "grieved and shocked" that the Constitution is enforced. Hardly a Constitutional scholar. As if a Constitutional scholar is needed. You can see the problem can't you?

I've got a lot of examples but I'll leave at that for now. If you want to continue this we can. I damn sure don't want an organization with such contempt for the Constitution to every be in control.
 
I'm kind of disappointed in how few of the actual points people make that the Mormon in this thread actually even begins to address. He seems to work around the edge issues, picking nits here and there....
 
sowellfan said:
I'm kind of disappointed in how few of the actual points people make that the Mormon in this thread actually even begins to address. He seems to work around the edge issues, picking nits here and there....
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Agreed, but it should be noted that there are two. Bob Baylock and Sword of Truth.

You have a valid point. A list was provided to Bob and he was asked what he thought about those. He painted them in very negative light. When it was pointed out that they were all from the Bible he shut up about it.

There is no reasonable response. It's fine to ignore it and I wouldn't harp on it If the Mormons wouldn't go out of their way to call gays and lesbians immoral disordered and IIRC, disgusting. When you do that you open yourself up to questioning of YOUR morality.
 
It does seem like the FLDS has more in common with the early church than the current LDS church.
 
tyr_13 said:
It struck me as I was watching news of the Jeffs trial. The parallels to what the early church did were eerie.
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Most Mormons don't have a clue. The history taught in seminary and sunday school are sanitized. I learned most of what I know after I left. Much of it from Church records like the Journals of Discourses. It's really rather bizarre to grow up with a one image and then find that the image doesn't fit the churches own records. The archives of the church contain facts about Smith's wives that the church disputes.
 
RandFan said:
Most Mormons don't have a clue. The history taught in seminary and sunday school are sanitized. I learned most of what I know after I left. Much of it from Church records like the Journals of Discourses. It's really rather bizarre to grow up with a one image and then find that the image doesn't fit the churches own records. The archives of the church contain facts about Smith's wives that the church disputes.
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I almost want to make a check list. It would have three columns. One with Smith, one with Young, and one with Jeffs. Then compare the things, the negative things, with check marks. Child brides? Forced/coerced marriages? Forced isolation? Forced ignorance? Control of women/women as property?

This is why you can't let a religions group completely withdraw and control all the governmental services (like police) in an area. Oversight of some sort is needed. The history of marriage in the Mormon church, and offshoots, is one sad example of why.
 
Rasmus said:
The Catholic Church will probably never perform a gay marriage. Big deal. I don't believe that the State should encourage or discourage ANY particular form of marriage.
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I don't quite follow your transition here...
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It seems simple enough to me. He's saying that it doesn't matter who the Catholic Church will or will not marry, because it has nothing to do with who to the state will recognize as a married couple. And he doesn't care what the Catholic Church position is, as long as the state takes a neutral stance.

At least, that's how I interpret it.
 
RandFan said:
Yes. Though it is only fair to note that contemporary Mormonism bears little resemblance to pre 1890 Mormonism when salvation required polygamy. Now mainstream Mormons are excommunicated if they practice polygamy.
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I agree, that's entirely fair to note.
 
tesscaline said:
Since it seems related to the topic of this thread...

I just saw this on my google news page: Texas Polygamist Guilty of Child Sex Assault
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The International Business Times gets it righter than most:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/192708/20110804/flds-warren-jeffs-convicted-faces-119-years.htm

August 4, 2011 8:35 PM EDT
A Texas jury convicted Warren Jeffs, the controversial figure of a fundamentalist Moron church, on child sexual assault late Thursday, ending a case that sprang open when his compound was raided and more than 450 children were taken by the police in 2008.
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:D
 
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