More Proof that Walmart is evil!

[Sundog]

Oh my Ed! You had to drive the entire eight miles to get to the store? How horrible!

I should have known.

Thanks for reinforcing my idea that righties are simply insensitive idiots.

 

[Tmy]

They also took aout APEX and Ann & Hope.

From the people I know who worked there, the jobs tend to be low paying minimum wage types.

I try to go to Kmarts too. Target aint so bad, but there from Minnesota. Probably more of the same.


Whats weird is that the righteis always squawk about the little mom n pops when it comes to health insurance laws, then its like "screw em" when it comes to predatory practices.

 

[Grammatron]

I should have known.

Thanks for reinforcing my idea that righties are simply insensitive idiots.

Eight miles; EIGHT MILES. To someone like me who lives in LA it's beyond being a TINY distance. Forgive me if I don't feel your pain of driving EIGHT miles to shop when I have to drive further for work(there and back), to see my friends and to go to a good place to relax and hang out.

 

[Sundog]

Eight miles; EIGHT MILES. To someone like me who lives in LA it's beyond being a TINY distance. Forgive me if I don't feel your pain of driving EIGHT miles to shop when I have to drive further for work(there and back), to see my friends and to go to a good place to relax and hang out.

EIGHT MILES is quite a bit, city boy, when the entire town is about two miles in diameter, when you can WALK downtown. Wanna make fun of that, city boy? Go right ahead.

Go ahead and laugh. Go ahead and not care about small town America. Go ahead and sneer because we don't all live in Los Angeles. We're just "flyover country" to you, aren't we?

I've lived in LA too, you insensitive loudmouth. I'll take small town Oklahoma every time.

 

[Z]

Buried, where all socialist antisemites should be.* * Allegedly.

No, it's true. He really is buried.



Me? I'm a defender of any store that provides what customers need. If mom and pop can't provide better than Wally World, then out they go. If Wally then packs up and moves, well, that's the way it falls.

What I'm against is situations like what happened here in Cincinnati with Saks. Saks requested some ungodly amount of funds from the city, say, 5 million, that it 'needed' to renovate and keep customers. So the city, in its infinite wisdom, gave them the money from taxes (in spite claiming to be bankrupt) by slashing many programs, including over 2 million from social services designed to keep the unemployed and homeless off the streets and working. That, to me, is evil. Wal-Mart running the local IGA out of business? Tough luck. Life is change; change is sometimes good, sometimes bad.

 

[Z]

Let me get this right... you're CRYING because of 8 miles?

You pathetic loser! I used to WALK 8 miles just to go to the library and have a coffee! WALK!!!

If I only had to drive 8 miles to get to a Wal-Mart, I'd be tickled pink.

I used to live in the BOON DOCKS of Florida, where it was 7 miles to a PAVED ROAD and another 10 after that to reach school. Shopping was no less than 25 miles from home; anything FUN was over 35 miles away.

But, hey, you're an Oklahomo... I lived there, too. Place is so damned windy because Texas sucks and Kansas blows.

 

[Sundog]

Me? I'm a defender of any store that provides what customers need. If mom and pop can't provide better than Wally World, then out they go. If Wally then packs up and moves, well, that's the way it falls.

What I'm against is situations like what happened here in Cincinnati with Saks. Saks requested some ungodly amount of funds from the city, say, 5 million, that it 'needed' to renovate and keep customers. So the city, in its infinite wisdom, gave them the money from taxes (in spite claiming to be bankrupt) by slashing many programs, including over 2 million from social services designed to keep the unemployed and homeless off the streets and working. That, to me, is evil. Wal-Mart running the local IGA out of business? Tough luck. Life is change; change is sometimes good, sometimes bad. [/B]

Your ignorance is appalling. Are you unaware of the strongarm tactics Walmart uses that are very, very similar to what you're talking about?

I really dislike it when I feel hate. I feel intense hatred for you righties right now. Time for me to bail from the discussion.

 

[Jocko]

You couldn't be more wrong.

They stayed in town just long enough to drive every other place out of business, making the downtown a ghost town, and then closed the store and moved it eight miles away, to south Tulsa. It has taken a DECADE for some local business to rebound to the point where you don't have to drive to Tulsa for everything.

My hometown is a bankrupt ruin of a ghost town. This was MY hometown, and Walmart ruined it singlehandedly.

Mills close. Headquarters move. And sometimes Wal Mart heads 8 miles down the road. Life ain't fair, but Wal Mart didn't invent the ghost town, dude.

 

[Z]

Well... Wal-Mart's never asked Cincinnati for anything.

And probably wouldn't, since Mayor Luken only wants Downtown to fluorish (which it isn't, hah hah).

Sure, Wal-Mart does some nasty stuff. Child labor, false advertising... Welcome to the U.S. It's nothing new. They just got caught. Either they'll change or they'll be lawsuited out of business.

In a country where the entire political structure is geared to make corporations richer and common folk stupid, I think Wally World is the LEAST of our problems.

 

[Tmy]

Im not anti big biz. I just feel that sheer bottom line is a lousy way to look at things. Howz about whats good for the community?

YA know the city of New York can take care of its financial woes by doing one thing. Sell Central Park to some private developers. Would the money be worth it?

 

[Grammatron]

EIGHT MILES is quite a bit, city boy, when the entire town is about two miles in diameter, when you can WALK downtown. Wanna make fun of that, city boy? Go right ahead.

Go ahead and laugh. Go ahead and not care about small town America. Go ahead and sneer because we don't all live in Los Angeles. We're just "flyover country" to you, aren't we?

I've lived in LA too, you insensitive loudmouth. I'll take small town Oklahoma every time.

Congratulations, but I was not in anyway insulting you or small towns. Quite frankly I feel indifferent toward big town vs. small town. My point was that millions of people are like me and drive quite a bit further than 8 miles for shopping and other needs. Just because there is a store 1-mile away from me right now it does not guarantee a good price. I might save to drive to Costco, which is 10 miles away, or drive to a bunch of stores which could be 10-15 miles of driving total.

I'm sorry that your family lost the business and I'm sorry that your town suffered but there could have been a million reasons for why it happened and simply saying Wallmart is evil is just an ignorant reaction.

 

[Segnosaur]

At least mom n pop put money back into the community!Whats wrong with spreading a little of the wealth.

Wal Mart puts money back into the community:
- Through taxes paid (at all levels of government)
- Through salaries paid to the employees (Yes they are low paid, but lets face it, Wal mart should not be a career for anyone.)
- By offering stuff at a lower price, they allow their customers to either: purchace more stuff (which is good for the customer), or to have more money available to spend elsewhere (which also helps the community)

Here in Canada, Wal Mart took the initiative to help create a monument on Juno Beach (where Canadians landed on D-day) when the Canadian government failed to take that role. So, it took an American company to show Canadian vets the respect they deserve.

 

[Z]

Considering the yearly revenue lost from the Tourist industry, I highly doubt New York is prepared to sell off a landmark that draws people to the city.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

You couldn't be more wrong.

They stayed in town just long enough to drive every other place out of business, making the downtown a ghost town, and then closed the store and moved it eight miles away, to south Tulsa. It has taken a DECADE for some local business to rebound to the point where you don't have to drive to Tulsa for everything.

My hometown is a bankrupt ruin of a ghost town. This was MY hometown, and Walmart ruined it singlehandedly.

I might point out, though, that sometimes Wal-Mart isn't wholly to blame. They screwed over my town too, but my town takes half the balme as far as I am concerned.

A couple of years ago, my local Wal-Mart wanted to expand into a "Super Wal-Mart" (or whatever the hell they call their larger stores). The problem was that would they would then carry groceries and there was a grocery store across the road that already had a deal with the city that the city would not zone any more grocery stores within a certain distance.

So Wal-Mart decided to move. They were looking at a location across from our Costco. Unfortunately there was a crappy little rundown park in the location. They offered to buy the land from the city and build a brand new park (and then donate it to the city) elsewhere to make up for it. Some local residents then got it in their heads that it would be awful to tear down this park , no matter how run down and disused it was so they pressured the city to scotch the deal. The residents also got the city to refurbish the park, which is a good thing, I suppose.

So Walmart bought land and built their store a few hundred yards away. This few hundred yards put them literally JUST outside the city limits and in a neighboring county. And they somehow arranged it so they are still getting some city services (water, sewer, fire, etc.) but they don't pay city taxes, they pay taxes to the neighboring county in which they now sit.

So Wal-Mart screwed over Carson City, but our city councilmen were idiots for letting them do it and they had every opportunity to keep it from happening. So I blame both entities equally. Wal-Mart played hardball with the city and our local politicians let themselves get beaned

 

[Tmy]

Wal Mart puts money back into the community:
- Through taxes paid (at all levels of government)
- Through salaries paid to the employees (Yes they are low paid, but lets face it, Wal mart should not be a career for anyone.)
- By offering stuff at a lower price, they allow their customers to either: purchace more stuff (which is good for the customer), or to have more money available to spend elsewhere (which also helps the community)

Here in Canada, Wal Mart took the initiative to help create a monument on Juno Beach (where Canadians landed on D-day) when the Canadian government failed to take that role. So, it took an American company to show Canadian vets the respect they deserve.

In my area they pay the same tax rate as homeowners. Either way mom n pops pay the same rate. And walmart is big on using public services too.

If anything lots of these big stores shake down tax waivers. Plus lots of that store proft heads to Arkansas. Where mom n pop moret han likely live/buy/shop/spend in the community.

I wonder. Compared to wallys profits, what % do they spend on community?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

You couldn't be more wrong.

They stayed in town just long enough to drive every other place out of business, making the downtown a ghost town, and then closed the store and moved it eight miles away, to south Tulsa. It has taken a DECADE for some local business to rebound to the point where you don't have to drive to Tulsa for everything.

My hometown is a bankrupt ruin of a ghost town. This was MY hometown, and Walmart ruined it singlehandedly.

I heard of a town in Texas that they call " The Town that Walmart Killed Twice "..

Supposedly, it drove all the local stores out of business, but pilferage and shoplifting, became such a problem, the store was never profitable and had to shut down, taking with it the jobs and taxes it provided..

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an element of truth to the story, and if similar situations haven't occured..

 

[pgwenthold]

I heard of a town in Texas that they call " The Town that Walmart Killed Twice "..

Supposedly, it drove all the local stores out of business, but pilferage and shoplifting, became such a problem, the store was never profitable and had to shut down, taking with it the jobs and taxes it provided..

So WalMart is to blame because the locals stole so much from it that they drove it out of business?

Let me guess, then the Wal Mart moved 8 miles down the road?

 

[Tmy]

Heres a story about Wallymart trying to skirt aroudn the local govt.


California voters say 'no' to Wal-Mart

INGLEWOOD, California (AP) -- Voters in this Los Angeles suburb rejected a ballot measure Tuesday that would have allowed Wal-Mart to build a warehouse-sized store while skirting zoning, traffic and environmental reviews.

With 25 of 29 precincts reporting, Inglewood voters opposed the initiative, with 65.7 percent voting "no" and 34.2 percent voting "yes," said Gabby Contreras of the city clerk's office.

That amounts to 4,419 votes against the initiative and 2,305 in favor.

"This is very, very positive for those folks who want to stand up and ... hold this corporate giant responsible," said Daniel Tabor, a former City Council member who had campaigned against the initiative.

Inglewood's City Council last year blocked the proposed shopping center, which would include both a Wal-Mart Supercenter and other stores, prompting the company to collect more than 10,000 signatures to force the vote in the working-class community.

Wal-Mart has argued in Inglewood and elsewhere in California that its stores create jobs and said residents should be able to decide for themselves if they want the stores in their community.

But opponents say the Supercenters amount to low-wage, low-benefit job mills that displace better-paying jobs as independent retailers are driven out of business. They also fear the stores will contribute to suburban sprawl and jammed roadways.

Wal-Mart officials have said they have not decided what they would do if the initiative failed. The company spent more than $1 million on its Inglewood campaign, according to campaign-finance records, while opponents spent a fraction of that amount.

 

[Grammatron]

Heres a story about Wallymart trying to skirt aroudn the local govt.


California voters say 'no' to Wal-Mart

INGLEWOOD, California (AP) -- Voters in this Los Angeles suburb rejected a ballot measure Tuesday that would have allowed Wal-Mart to build a warehouse-sized store while skirting zoning, traffic and environmental reviews.

With 25 of 29 precincts reporting, Inglewood voters opposed the initiative, with 65.7 percent voting "no" and 34.2 percent voting "yes," said Gabby Contreras of the city clerk's office.

That amounts to 4,419 votes against the initiative and 2,305 in favor.

"This is very, very positive for those folks who want to stand up and ... hold this corporate giant responsible," said Daniel Tabor, a former City Council member who had campaigned against the initiative.

Inglewood's City Council last year blocked the proposed shopping center, which would include both a Wal-Mart Supercenter and other stores, prompting the company to collect more than 10,000 signatures to force the vote in the working-class community.

Wal-Mart has argued in Inglewood and elsewhere in California that its stores create jobs and said residents should be able to decide for themselves if they want the stores in their community.

But opponents say the Supercenters amount to low-wage, low-benefit job mills that displace better-paying jobs as independent retailers are driven out of business. They also fear the stores will contribute to suburban sprawl and jammed roadways.

Wal-Mart officials have said they have not decided what they would do if the initiative failed. The company spent more than $1 million on its Inglewood campaign, according to campaign-finance records, while opponents spent a fraction of that amount.

I think Tmy is being funny again...

Anyway this is an example of voter and local government stupidity. What did they win? Not a damn thing, just wasted time and money. I also find the idea of government keeping business out to be rather disturbing.

 

[Tmy]

You dont like zoning?

Whta disturbed me is how deep pockets Walmart tried to force their way in by buying a spot on the ballot.