MOORE SHUTS DOWN HIS WEBSITE...RUNS AWAY TO CRY

[HarryKeogh]

Until the Democrats admit they screwed this one up and lost fair and square, they are going to be their own worst enemy, at least until the Republicans become as complacent as the Dems were...

I readily admit, without qualification, we lost.

However 54 million votes to 50 million votes is hardly a mandate.

But regardless, he's the President for the next 4 years and hopefully he'll do a better job this second time around.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Until the Democrats admit they screwed this one up and lost fair and square, they are going to be their own worst enemy, at least until the Republicans become as complacent as the Dems were...

I'm not a Democrat, nor am I suggesting that they didn't lose fairly. I'm simply pointing out that it was a very close race. Had Ohio, the single state in question, gone for Kerry, the results of the election would have been the opposite. That, in my humble opinion, makes it silly to talk about mandates.

Elections where the loser only carries one or two states...now that's a mandate!

edited for appalling grammar.

 

[rikzilla]

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exactly. they are.

now rizkilla, could we see another laughing dog cartoon from you? or perhaps gloat a little more? or wave your flag a little faster?

k you asked....



What did little Johnny Edwards say to Kerry on the morning of Nov 3rd?

A: "why the long face?" :rimshot:




Really....you liberals need to drink far more heavily. I would if my Nov 3rd was anything like yours!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Or you can jump on the ole bandwagon! There's room, and it's a great ride! America loves a winner!

 

[rikzilla]

I readily admit, without qualification, we lost.

However 54 million votes to 50 million votes is hardly a mandate.

But regardless, he's the President for the next 4 years and hopefully he'll do a better job this second time around.

Wow!

I thought you were.....well I won't say...

This is the attitude that makes our country great....it is the same sentiment that I was ready to express had Kerry won. The process is what is important...the outcome is secondary. Democracy is the real winner here...it has been reaffirmed at a very dangerous time in world history.

This should be what we're all talking about and supporting.

However....it feels way too good not to indulge in a little crass gloating. I deserve it. I spend alot of time on a web forum where my political opinion is ridiculled by over 70% of forum denizens.

This is my time now....I'm gonna enjoy it!

-z

 

[Cleon]

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My venom? You see a remark on a web page, jump to an insane conclusion, and refuse to even admit mistake when it is pointed out to you that you are wrong, and this is a result of my bias?

Is this just an attempt to completely discredit yourself? You are doing a good job of being a huge jerk about everything and validating everything that drove me out of the GOP in the late 90's.

Bush won. He won this state. This is neither a suprise or an issue that really bothers me.

It is also not relevant to your childish behavior.

What he said.

 

[Suddenly]

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Those sour grapes are making your posts sound all pinched and puckered up. Go have a drink and calm down councilor.

Actually, you may wish to take up alcoholism....you can live in a world all your own....kinda like liberalism, but without that annoying reality hangover that comes every 4 years on Nov 3rd.

-z

Just curious. Is the idea that other people have a bit more emotional stablity than you do lost on you?

Yes, you would be acting like a whiny jerk had Bush lost. We understand this. I understand how you and the rest of the righties would be screaming foul and trying to poison the well of a Kerry administration from day one.

On the other hand, had Bush lost, we would be still having this same exchange where I chide you for your childish reaction.

This isn't about the election, it is about some people's lack of emotional maturity when it comes to politics. Not that you are the only person that needs to grow up and develop some composure. I'm in an office of people that haven't stopped whining about the election for two days. I had to shut my door and play music...

 

[rikzilla]

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Just curious. Is the idea that other people have a bit more emotional stablity than you do lost on you?

Nope. I have an IQ measured @ 132. I'm quite sure that makes me a mental midget compared to most folks here. But I'm also bright enough to know that emotional stability is a character trait best illustrated by Mr. Spock and Al Gore. IMHO people such as these bore me to tears. Yes I'm emotional,...yes I'm cynical, mercurial, skeptical, irreverant, and bipolar-ism runs in the family...but I'm not boring.

So screw emotional stability...it's overrated.

Yes, you would be acting like a whiny jerk had Bush lost. We understand this. I understand how you and the rest of the righties would be screaming foul and trying to poison the well of a Kerry administration from day one.

Wow! Sit down man! You don't have to become a woo-woo just because your boy lost! So, now you went out and bought a crystal ball just to predict how ole zilla would react to a Bush loss?? You're not well man.

On the other hand, had Bush lost, we would be still having this same exchange where I chide you for your childish reaction.

Move over Sylvia....

This isn't about the election, it is about some people's lack of emotional maturity when it comes to politics. Not that you are the only person that needs to grow up and develop some composure. I'm in an office of people that haven't stopped whining about the election for two days. I had to shut my door and play music...

Newsflash councillor....it IS about an election.

-z

 

[crimresearch]

I readily admit, without qualification, we lost.

However 54 million votes to 50 million votes is hardly a mandate.<SNIP>

Compared to whom? Kennedy? Clinton? Gore? Bush in 2000?

The significance isn't that 54 million people found a reason to vote Bush, it is that another 4 million+ who were loudly proclaiming 'anyone but Bush' didn't actually show up and vote.

 

[HarryKeogh]

Compared to whom? Kennedy? Clinton? Gore? Bush in 2000?

The significance isn't that 54 million people found a reason to vote Bush, it is that another 4 million+ who were loudly proclaiming 'anyone but Bush' didn't actually show up and vote.

what can I say? I underestimated the amount of people who choose a President based mainly on religion and "moral issues". They showed up, not enough of us did.

 

[HarryKeogh]

Compared to whom? Kennedy? Clinton? Gore? Bush in 2000?

The significance isn't that 54 million people found a reason to vote Bush, it is that another 4 million+ who were loudly proclaiming 'anyone but Bush' didn't actually show up and vote.

I think the "mandate" label fit the Reagan and Clinton re-elections btw.

 

[geni]

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Well, most skeptics would also realise that the opinion of a liberal rag or two in London don't carry the same weight as the opinion of the elected Prime Minister.

Two mistakes in one paragraph I'm impressed. To be fair one of them just shows you are not up to speed with how the british system of goverment works (hint no one is elected to the post of Prime Minister). Your Other error was thinking that the independat newspaper was london only. It is published uk wide. You really should try bassing your staments on fact you know.

 

[nightwind]

Moore

It is humorous to see the hysteria that Moore inspires in some. Is it because he supported the democratic party in a very open way, or was against Bush? Or was it some factual error that Moore made ?

While I am sure the so called Swift Boat guys were not entirely factual, but I do not see the folks that demonize Moore, demonize them. They always just come up with some reason for justifying this behavior.

It seems that there is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy on both sides.

As far as the election, it is laughable it seems that it is some kind of mandate. It seemed to be very close, and if a president was truely doing a good job, the race should not even be close. An incumbant president should blow away the competition if they are doing a good job. Looking at a comparison of the popular and electoral vote, this is not what happened.

And if Bush had lost, there would be plenty of sour grapes to go around on this side also.

 

[Number Six]

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It is humorous to see the hysteria that Moore inspires in some. Is it because he supported the democratic party in a very open way, or was against Bush? Or was it some factual error that Moore made ?

While I am sure the so called Swift Boat guys were not entirely factual, but I do not see the folks that demonize Moore, demonize them. They always just come up with some reason for justifying this behavior.

It seems that there is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy on both sides.

As far as the election, it is laughable it seems that it is some kind of mandate. It seemed to be very close, and if a president was truely doing a good job, the race should not even be close. An incumbant president should blow away the competition if they are doing a good job. Looking at a comparison of the popular and electoral vote, this is not what happened.

And if Bush had lost, there would be plenty of sour grapes to go around on this side also.

It's because of the way Moore does what he does. There is a large group of people, many of which inhabit The Red States, that can't stand it and I think there is a good chance that many people that wouldn't even have bother to voted otherwise made an effort to get to the polls just to vote against someone that people like Moore and the vocal Hollywood celebs wanted to win. People hate, hate, hate being preached to by what they perceive as being self-appointed elites. I honestly believe Moore literally did more harm than good for the cause he was trying to promote.

Bush won despite numerous problems. (And BTW, mandate?...since when is 51-48 a mandate?...people that say that are crazy...and plus I like the irony...a "mandate" for Bush?...hey, isn't men dating men one of the things that annoy the social conservatives?) The Red State people are so bugged at the Dems that the Dems can't possibly not see it. They see it and they'll try to address it although whether they'll be successful is another story.

I think next time the Dems will say to the celebs "If you really want to help just give us some money and keep your mouth shut." And if Michael Moore makes another movie that attacks a sitting US President in a time of war the DNC chairman won't publicly praise it. And I think the DNC will do what they can to see that Hilary Clinton doesn't get the nomination.

Partly it's what you say and partly it's how you say it and the Dems really need to change how they're saying it when they're addressing people in The Red States. There's a lesson in that for skeptics too though...we (certainly I) sometimes fall into the trap of putting too much focus on substance and not enough on presentation.

The Dems have two choices...they can change the way they're pereceived in The Red States or they can keep losing.

 

[jj]

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no, that's his usual website. Seems Rizkilla jumped the gun. He didn't close his website.

Yeah, it's typical. Rik is doing what he accused Moore of.

Well, why not, it won 'W' the election.

 

[Upchurch]

If that isn't a mandate, it will just have to do until a *real* mandate comes along.

I'm going to repost something I put together in another thread (which was also in reference to Bush having a mandate):

Um, he won the nationwide popular vote, this time.

He won that by 3% (can't say exactly on the EV yet). In 2000, he lost the PV by 1% and won the EV by 1%. That's hardly a major victory.

For refernece:

• Clinton beat Dole by 9% PV and 40% EV.
• Clinton beat Bush by 6% PV and 37% EV.
• Bush I beat Dukakis by 8% PV and 60% EV.
• Reagan beat Mondale by 18% PV and 95% EV. (THAT was a mandate.)
• Reagan beat Carter by about 9% PV and 80% EV.

and so on.... Bush squeeked by. Both times.

source[/quote]Overall, Bush's victory, in terms of percentages, was not that impressive. Reagan had a mandate. Bush simply got more votes than Kerry.


edited to add: I'll stipulate that I haven't rechecked this election's numbers since I originally wrote the above. They may not be in anyway accurate anymore.

 

[varwoche]

(embarassing blather snipped)

My Ed. In a couple of days when you come down off your post-election high, will you be embarrassed by the mindless spam you have posted all over this forum?

Like a moth drawn to flame, blocks of cement seem to have an irresistable attraction to flagpoles.

 

[CFLarsen]

Re: Moore

It is humorous to see the hysteria that Moore inspires in some. Is it because he supported the democratic party in a very open way, or was against Bush? Or was it some factual error that Moore made ?

People often fear what they recognize is the truth. Why be afraid of someone who they believe is a proven liar?

 

[crimresearch]

I think the "mandate" label fit the Reagan and Clinton re-elections btw.

OK, so it wasn't a mandate... call it a clear victory, or whatever you want, the margin is visible without having to squint...and by far more than one state.

Still leaves no doubt as to which party is going to be in firm control of all 3 branches of government, with the consent of the populace.

So once more we have the government that we deserve...the process worked, the people have spoken, and it is going to be an interesting ride.

 

[Cleon]

So once more we have the government that we deserve...the process worked, the people have spoken, and it is going to be an interesting ride.

Yes, but what are we doing in this handbasket?

 

[AtheistArchon]

So once more we have the government that we deserve...the process worked, the people have spoken, and it is going to be an interesting ride.

- THAT is what scares me. Apparently the nation deserves Bush in office for another four. It makes me ill.