Moonbat alert: Chomksy condemns Bin Laden kill.

[Virus]

Good for Noam Chomsky for standing up for what is human, not barbarian.

If we are going to bring Law and Order to the world, we have to obey the laws. We have to set an example. We can't say "Hey we have this great Court of Law System that your country should follow" if we don't follow it ourselves.

It was against the law, immoral, unnecessary, and harmful to America's reputation, to kill an unarmed man and shoot an unarmed WOMAN. Bin Laden was killed, like Oswald, so he could not talk about his CIA connections in court, and be the fall guy for 9/11.

There is no evidence that Bin Laden planned 9/11. He had questionable motive, and no opportunity. He had no access to the nano-thermite explosives found in the WTC dust.

Rogue elements of the Bush-Cheney Administration had much more motive, opportunity, and access to cyanide knock-out gas, remote controlled aircraft technology, and nano-thermite explosives.

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[shuize]

If Osama didn't want to get shot in the face he shouldn't have taken credit for 9/11 end of story.

My thoughts as well.

I really don't care if he was unarmed. I really wouldn't care if he was unarmed and begging for his life. The events he took credit for on 9/11 more than justified his killing. If you engage in terrorism and announce it to the world, you've essentially painted a bullseye on your head.

 

[Skeptic]

It's one thing to be against the invasion of Iraq.

It's another thing to think that 9/11 was some sort of "blowback" against US policies.

It's yet a third thing to be against the killing of bin Laden and the war in Iraq when you openly support unrepentant mass murderers, like Hizbullah or the Khmer Rouge, as well as holocaust deniers (Faurisson).

Chomsky's only moral "compass" is "if they kill Jews / Americans / westerners, they're the good guys -- now let's find some pseudo-intellectual excuse why that is so". All the rest is, judging from his record, smoke and mirrors.

P.S.

Ever noticed the "blowback" is something inevitably only non-westerners are allowed to do against westerners? 9/11 is a "reaction to US policies", but the war in Iraq never has anything to do with a "reaction to 9/11": that is "all about oil."

Apparently Muslims cannot plan or have goals of their own, they're like single-cell creatures who only know the language of stimulus/response. But I digress.

 

[Joey McGee]

Good for Noam Chomsky for standing up for what is human, not barbarian.

Your abuse of the word barbarian is quite egregious. Poor Osama.

If we are going to bring Law and Order to the world, we have to obey the laws. We have to set an example. We can't say "Hey we have this great Court of Law System that your country should follow" if we don't follow it ourselves.

Yeah, this is reality where sometimes you have to break the law to either have fun or save the world. Law worship is what I call it. Oooohh are we too stupid to evolve and think objectively about moral truth, we need laws from the philosophers that will save us.

It was against the law

boo hoo,

immoral

he was guilty and don't hang around the world's most wanted terrorist if you don't want to get bombed, that is how they like to do it and almost did this time save for Obama changing his mind.

unnecessary

it was jail or dead,he can spread less poison this way. That's a fact sir.

and harmful to America's reputation

I wouldn't exactly call showing the world we will barge in an blow your brains out no matter where you are harmful to America's reputation.

to kill an unarmed man and shoot an unarmed WOMAN.

Boohoo don't hang around the most wanted terrorist in the world.

Bin Laden was killed, like Oswald, so he could not talk about his CIA connections in court, and be the fall guy for 9/11.

Why didn't he talk about them in the videos where he confessed to 9/11? You don't think those wacky fake video stories are true do you?

There is no evidence that Bin Laden planned 9/11.

Except for the all of the evidence and the confessions

He had questionable motive

He admitted his motives

, and no opportunity. He had no access to the nano-thermite explosives found in the WTC dust.

Rogue elements of the Bush-Cheney Administration had much more motive, opportunity, and access to cyanide knock-out gas, remote controlled aircraft technology, and nano-thermite explosives.

A voice-faking technology you forgot that one broski!

Really you want to start arguing about 9/11 no there are lots of other threads for that.

I'm surprised no one has offered any armchair diagnoses to speculate on the reason for Chomsky's perculiar departures from reality and practical matters. I guess he wanted bin Laden to stand trial and waste a few thousands of hours of the world's time while allowing him to have a platform and all of that nonsense. Probably wanted to give him a chance to say sorry so people won't be so mean to the poor old radicals.

 

[Virus]

Speaking of Truthers, did anyone notice that Chomsky appears to have gone borderline Truther in that article?

 

[bikerdruid]

Speaking of Truthers, did anyone notice that Chomsky appears to have gone borderline Truther in that article?

.......borderline Truther???

 

[Praktik]

Speaking of Truthers, did anyone notice that Chomsky appears to have gone borderline Truther in that article?

Well you've obviously left a few stones unturned in your quest to find fault with Chomsky - for among the Truthers, he is nothing more than a "Left Gatekeeper", channeling people away from the Truth by you know, not believing in the masons, or that a cabal of insiders in the US set up the controlled demolition of the twin towers, etc...

See Chomsky usually looks to systems and institutions for the causes of America's ills, whereas in conspiracy lore they look to individuals (note their bizarre hate-on for Brezinski) behind the scenes in very small, secret groups to explain why wars and such happen.

 

[qayak]

Given that the initiating event for the Iraq War was 9/11 . . .

No, it wasn't. That was the initiating event for the invasion of Afghanistan. If you check any map you will see that "I-r-a-q" is not a alternative spelling of "A-f-g-h-a-n-i-s-t-a-n-."

 

[Joey McGee]

Speaking of Truthers, did anyone notice that Chomsky appears to have gone borderline Truther in that article?

There was one especially woo-like statement that reminded me of them yes.

There is much talk of bin Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement.

Ok guys, what is more likely, bin Laden being responsible for 9/11 or Chomsky winning the Boston Marathon? What an analogy Mr. Linguistics professor. He doesn't accept the overwhelming evidence that bin Laden was responsible by nitpicking and philosophizing about it. Faved truther pastime.

I don't think it's fair to say that he believes in LIHOP or anything close to that but you never really know.

 

[UWdude]

Would the world be better without the (US) world police? At a guess:

No limits to Soviet expansion - say goodbye to Western Europe having been free after 1945.
Soviet Union would have nuked China during their late 60's border disputes.
China would have conquered Taiwan.
North Korea and friends would have conquered South Korea.
India and Pakistan would have had an all out (nuke) war.
Little dictators would kill far more of their people without fear of world condemnation.
Vast amounts more little wars and regional empire building.
Far less trade, freedom and standard of living for the vast amount of the world.

For any reasonably free country that behaves reasonably well, having the US active in the world is a godsend.

lol

 

[UWdude]

No. It means the invading force is responsible for allowing those insurgents in. They removed the government that was holding insurgents at bay and have been unable to stop the flow themselves. Simple facts.

Actually, the Shiites were given the department of the interior (which oversees the national police force) by the Americans, and that is when the "sectarian strife" began, as dozens, then hundreds of Sunnis were showing up mutilated and dead on the streets in the mornings.

Furthermore, demonization and justification for war with Iran is prevalent in any Islamaphobe's monologues, although Iran was happy to see and assist in the destruction of Pakistan's ISI backed Taleban, with Iran being the main backer and supporter of the now forgotten Northern Alliance.* (if you remember all the war news at the beginning of the Afghan war, the Northern Alliance was all they talked about) Of course, most "americans"/westerners have memory spans about as long as a television season. Then they get all surprised when peopel whose houses have actually been bombed or lives destroyed have a harder time forgetting all the lies and B.S., bloody murders, disappearances and false arrests.

I just love how the Islamophobes dance around and yelp for more Muslim blood, always arguing the next target is more dangerous and homicidal than the last.




*You can watch a Frontline documentary about it here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9032008473440567742#

 

[UWdude]

To me it's boiling down to men being men instead of philosophers and pseudointellectuals.

pfft, watching television shows and movies and the nightly news of people getting blown up from predator drone missiles is hardly manly. Just like guzzling pints of beer while your gut bounces off the bar while cheering a football game doesn't make you athletic or manly. Both are just forms of entertainment to everyone except the people directly involved. And no, watching television is not direct participation, no matter how many ways the narrators or pundits or advertisements try to make it sound like it is.

It's so pathetic to see so many comments all over the internet of pseudo-tough guys posturing themselves. Sometimes they'll even spout action film cliches to make themselves sound tough. It is no surprise to me that many "men" use unbridled nationalism and bloodlust as a sad attempt at penis enhancement.

Yeah him and the 60 plus percent of Americans who supported the invasion at the time. Oh I forgot, the propagandized sheeple just thought they had a say in their own thinking.

Yes, yes you did forget the lies about knowing where the WMD's were, the yellowcake, and the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud.

The reason they named it Geronimo is because of his ability to evade capture. The people who work for a living (yeah I'm talking to you Mr. Hapless Windbag) don't keep themselves up at night worrying who is going to get their panties in a knot over their use of a bloody word.

Yeah, they don't worry about who or what brown people they are killing either, they are all, and always have been nothing more to savages to the likes of them. The bad guys to their cowboys in their own western fantasies. Now be sure to wave your flag harder, especially the white part.

you continually use self inclusive pronouns when referring to the united states and americans.
you are not american....you are australian.

Yeah, when they say "we" they must mean the western judeo-christian/militant atheist white people of the world, who have taken on the causes of universal minded revolutions past and turned them into nationalist jingoism. Because god forbid you ever condemn "American" anything, then they'll laugh and say, "ha, I'm not American, shows what you know!"

 

[Joey McGee]

pfft, watching television shows and movies and the nightly news of people getting blown up from predator drone missiles is hardly manly

Heh, where did that come from? Shall I have said "natural beings being natural beings" to avoid a negative interpretation? You think they do that because they are cowards, that's just an insult. I don't think robot warriors are cowardly either. Plenty of brave people risk IEDs and snipers and ambushes every single day. Are those people cowards because they use predator drones? I think those people probably celebrated.

It's so pathetic to see so many comments all over the internet of pseudo-tough guys posturing themselves. Sometimes they'll even spout action film cliches to make themselves sound tough.

Or they are just goofing off man. Homo sapien sapiens, a variety of social tendencies, it's interesting isn't it.

It is no surprise to me that many "men" use unbridled nationalism and bloodlust as a sad attempt at penis enhancement.

Me either, the fact that sex and death and power are all neatly arranged together after the way we evolved makes perfect sense.

 

[Virus]

Well you've obviously left a few stones unturned in your quest to find fault with Chomsky - for among the Truthers, he is nothing more than a "Left Gatekeeper", channeling people away from the Truth by you know, not believing in the masons, or that a cabal of insiders in the US set up the controlled demolition of the twin towers, etc...

Heaps of the Truthers are radical leftists.

See Chomsky usually looks to systems and institutions for the causes of America's ills, whereas in conspiracy lore they look to individuals (note their bizarre hate-on for Brezinski) behind the scenes in very small, secret groups to explain why wars and such happen.

So why did he imply that there's no evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11?

 

[gumboot]

No, it wasn't. That was the initiating event for the invasion of Afghanistan. If you check any map you will see that "I-r-a-q" is not a alternative spelling of "A-f-g-h-a-n-i-s-t-a-n-."

It was the initiating event for both wars.

 

[UWdude]

You think they do that because they are cowards, that's just an insult.

Yes, it was most certainly meant to be an insult to all the unthinking nationalist masses of Joe six packs that get a little boner from thinking about killing Mooslims, and somehow, in their sick little blood curdled fantasies imagine they somehow are part of it by watching and talking like the tough guys on tv.

Me either, the fact that sex and death and power are all neatly arranged together after the way we evolved makes perfect sense.

I like how you used the word "evolved", as in the evolution has finished. Sadly, it was correct usage.

 

[ProBonoShill]

I don't think you will find too many Canadians who disagree which is why Prime Minister Chretien committed Canadian troops. I think you will also find that the killing of those 24 Canadians was not the reason Canada went in. The reason was that one of our allies had been attacked and requested support to go after the perpetrators.

However, most Canadians, including Chretian but not Harper, disagreed with going into Iraq which is why Canada isn't there.

Chretian is one of the biggest liars to ever occupy 24 Sussex Dr.

Though we're not "officially" at war with Iraq, we've been there since the beginning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War#Military_participation

 

[Joey McGee]

Yes, yes you did forget the lies about knowing where the WMD's were, the yellowcake,

to some degree they fixed it like that yeah, they thought they were justified, a regrettable decision indeed. Bush regrets the "intelligence failure" as the worst thing about his stint.

and the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud.

Yeah, they don't worry about who or what brown people they are killing either, they are all, and always have been nothing more to savages to the likes of them. Now be sure to wave your flag harder, especially the white part.

Yes, because there are all white people in the army and no one in Iraq wants to kill the same people. Ridiculous racism accusation with nothing to support it. Just because the past does not mean the future.

 

[qayak]

It was the initiating event for both wars.

9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq and vise versa. Iraq was initiated by misinformation and outright lies on the part of the then Administration.

 

[Virus]

Iraq is connected to 9/11. It showed that something needed to be done about the sick, pathetic and failed society that produces people like Bin Laden. Since Saddam failed to honour the ceasefire agreement with the US and was the filthiest, most psychopathic and brutal tyranny in the region, it was a good place to start.