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I applied for membership to the ICS and got no response. I complained in a letter to the ICS. He called me. At work. To apologize-- and, to say what great things they were doing, all the expeditions they had planned, all the potential wonders to discover. I never got a word in edgewise or even could get to ask a question.

This was circa 1997, I think, prior to the ICS completely dissolving.
 
idoubtit said:
I applied for membership to the ICS and got no response. I complained in a letter to the ICS. He called me. At work. To apologize-- and, to say what great things they were doing, all the expeditions they had planned, all the potential wonders to discover. I never got a word in edgewise or even could get to ask a question.

This was circa 1997, I think, prior to the ICS completely dissolving.
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Cool, thanks for the story.

doctoratlantis said:
And I want to ask him about Ivan Sanderson's experience with hoaxes.
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Kitakaze said:
Mmmm... giant penguins.
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Heh. We'll probably also be hearing about the Minnesota Iceman and Sanderson finding evidence of a Jersey Devil hoax. Maybe if we're really lucky, they'll discuss Sanderson's hilarious "chickens in dinosaur suits" goof.
 
Someone mentioned that the show is on itunes. I can't find it. Is this one of those irritating 'it's on the itunes store, but not in Canada' things?
 
EHocking said:
Not available in the UK if that's any indication.
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Doc Daneeka said:
Someone mentioned that the show is on itunes. I can't find it. Is this one of those irritating 'it's on the itunes store, but not in Canada' things?
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I-Tunes screwed up our feed and it took me more than a week to get them to fix it. (In the end "they" didn't fix it, I had to change my feed and then the robots-that-be fixed it.)

Episode #2 is up - but you can subscribe to it from here if you're having trouble with i-tunes:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/Monstertalk
 
It's a good show. You improved the production and sound quality.

I noticed at least a couple of errors...

"Dummies Guide" to PGF states that they tracked her for 3 miles. The reported distance is actually 3.5 miles.

You say Bob Heironimus is "one of several" (or similar words) when you are introducing him as the guy who confessed. BH is actually the only person ever to publicly confess to wearing the suit.
 
William Parcher said:
It's a good show. You improved the production and sound quality.

I noticed at least a couple of errors...

"Dummies Guide" to PGF states that they tracked her for 3 miles. The reported distance is actually 3.5 miles.

You say Bob Heironimus is "one of several" (or similar words) when you are introducing him as the guy who confessed. BH is actually the only person ever to publicly confess to wearing the suit.
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I'll ask Karen where she go the "3 miles" data. And I'll update the episode thread with that clarification on Bob. Thanks!

Next episode I'll try to work on the "breathing" you can hear at some points. I'm pretty sure that's me. And I'm many would appreciate it if I stopped. ;)
 
Thoughts on episode #2...

Wow! The first show was excellent and this second installment has ironed the slight wrinkles (Karen's not in a can anymore) and really improved the presentation quality. I like the can of worms bit. I can't stress enough how much I love the Peach Stealing Monkeys intro. Here is a PSM reworking of Nat King Cole's Nature Boy. I really like Blake's idea of having the show avoid dating itself with crypto news but nevertheless...

OMG! Gidget the Taco Bell dog dropped the chalupa!

Karen did a great job recounting the PGF popular version of events. I think Karen with her Aussie inflections is the only person I've ever heard make the word "Bigfoot" sound sexy. If I were recounting the popular version of events, I might have mentioned the inconsistency of whether Patterson was thrown and pinned by his horse or cleanly dismounted while extracating his camera. Also, there is Gimlin's testimony that he didn't remain on his horse but rather dismounted, held his horses reins, and held his rifle (not pointed at Patty).

Minor quibble - Blake states at 11:20 that besides Bob Heironimus, multiple people have claimed to be Patty. There's no one else who's ever made that claim. Karen mentions that BH was a neighbour of Bob Gimlin's and Blake mentions that they were friends. They live nine houses away on the same street. Nice job mentioning the wild coincidences with the book and illustrations.

What I found most valuable from this show in particular was knowing that McLeod interviewed Gimlin personally in which Gimlin indicated that Patterson might have tricked him and yet McLeod himself seemed to not be aware of the well publicizes quote where Gimlin states that he's an older man now and concedes he might have been tricked.

What I love most about Monster Talk in general is that it makes skepticism and critical thinking cool. So much crypto gobbledy-gook is delivered in a sleek package á la MonsterQuest and tries to suspend people's disbelief with slick pseudo-scientific hooey so it's great to have a resource to counter it. Blake, Ben, and Karen make a great trio and the work and effort they put into this show is greatly appreciated by me and people like myself.

Excellent job on #2, guys, and looking very much forward to #3.:)
 
Monster Talk: Episode #003 - Fins and Fossil-Footprints

http://www.monstertalk.org/wordpress/?p=121

Glen Kuban (http://paleo.cc) has done extensive research on two cases important to monster enthusiasts. His article explaining the true nature of the “mysterious” carcass netted by the Japanese fishing vessel Zuiyo-maru and his decades long investigation into the alleged “giant humanoid tracks” in the Paluxy fossil bed in Texas both highlight the importance of a thorough investigation before assuming the remarkable is true. In the case of the Zuiyo-Mary, the carcass bore a preliminary similarity to plesiosaur remains – an animal which should have been extinct for millions of years.

And in the case of the Paluxy tracks, the appearance of hominid tracks fossilized along-side dinosaur tracks would have given young-earth creationists a potential falsification for the theory of evolution. Glen examined that case and his work revealed that the tracks were not those of a prehistoric giant people – instead, weathered dinosaur tracks led to an interesting confrontation with the young-earth creationists.
 
Just happen to have a picture of that "plesiosaur" in my images. It is one of the things in a horrific book on creationism lent to me that cited the story as evidence of modern dinosaurs...

 
Plesiosaurs

Our next guest is a paleontologist who specializes in prehistoric aquatic reptiles like the plesiosaur. I'm hoping he'll be able to tell us MUCH more about what we'd actually expect to see if such animals were still alive today. I suspect there are good arguments against the existence of such animals being alive today beyond "they're supposed to be dead".

I think a lot of cryptozoologists characterize the arguments against plesiosaurs being alive today as "knee-jerk denial" and don't consider factors such as temperature, diet, reproductive strategies, etc... that work against the plausibility of "the plesiosaur hypothesis."
 
I broke out Phil & Pamela's "Star Party" promos into separate feeds so they'd show up in i-tunes properly.

Enjoy.
 
doctoratlantis said:
...snip...I think a lot of cryptozoologists characterize the arguments against plesiosaurs being alive today as "knee-jerk denial" and don't consider factors such as temperature, diet, reproductive strategies, etc... that work against the plausibility of "the plesiosaur hypothesis."
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Be warned that they (or at least some of them) may say you are outdated and accuse you of sloppy research. Lake monsters are nowadays seen by some cryptofolks as mammals (its easy to find Coleman's rants on this at Cryptomundo).

IMHO its nothing but a feeble attempt to increase the critters' plausibility, since real mammals must also breath, eat, poop, breed and die, thus leaving traces of their reality other than blurry pics...

BTW, speaking about cryptodumbness, one must not forget that the proposed Cadborosaurus sea serpents are supposed to be reptiles with gills or able to breath through hairs...
 
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BTW, speaking about cryptodumbness, one must not forget that the proposed Cadborosaurus sea serpents are supposed to be reptiles with gills or able to breath through hairs
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There actually was the 1937 Naden Harbour carcass, which has left skeptics scratching their heads.



Care to identify this one?
 
makaya325 said:
There actually was the 1937 Naden Harbour carcass, which has left skeptics scratching their heads.

Care to identify this one?
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Cadborosaurus and the Naden Harbour carcass: extant Mesozoic marine reptiles, or just bad bad science?
We have, in the past, allowed people to edit the quotes of others with a clear "Fixed that for you" or something similar. Not to turn it into an insult though.
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Fishermen have been dragging huge nets through the oceans for hundreds of years. If you need to come to the surface to breath, eat, reproduce, or whatever... you are going to be caught alive in a net. Any marine reptile or air-breathing "monster" would be caught.
 
Fishermen have been dragging huge nets through the oceans for hundreds of years. If you need to come to the surface to breath, eat, reproduce, or whatever... you are going to be caught alive in a net. Any marine reptile or air-breathing "monster" would be caught
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And the picture i just showed you MAY have been proof that they were caught.
 
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