Moneymakin'! The BFRO Bigfoot Expeditions Thread.

[River]

Ok, I've got some time today. Thanks to everyone for the wells wishes last week with my son graduating, it is appreciated.

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This picture shows the location facing south, but was taken in 2012. This incident happened in 2009 during the expedition Frank wrote about but he was not present when this occurred.

It was Friday, and there were four of us at this location. Myself, Dan, Ed, and Mary. After dinner, we had a meeting at base camp, so we all left before dark and walked the 1.5 miles to the meeting location. After several hours, we came back to this camp at around 11:30 p.m. We decided to build a small fire and hang out and talk. I dug out a small pit just to the left of the camp chair, and we sat in a semi-circle around it. The pit was on the very edge where immediately south it fell off towards the bog, so that is why we sat in a semi-circle on the north side facing the bog.

We had been sitting there for several hours, and in that time, heard many stick breaks all around us. It was getting close to 1:30 and I was letting the fire die down so we could go to bed. Three of us were sitting in our camp chairs, with me on the left, Dan in the middle, and Mary of the right, with Ed about 20 yards behind us off to the left. We weren't talking, when something landed with a thump on Dan's chair. We all heard it and Dan said he saw something pass between him and the fire as it landed between his legs. I asked what it was and he said he didn't know.

Dan reached down and pulled out what landed there and it turned out to be a white Good N Plenty piece of candy. We all sat there looking at it and said, no way, it must have been something else, but Dan checked his chair and there was nothing else there. No rocks, no twigs, just the piece of candy. We broke out in hysterical laughter as Dan was holding the piece of candy in his fingers.

We then tried to figure out if Dan had somehow had a piece on him and just fell off into his chair, but Dan said he saw it flash in front of him just before it landed, so it had to have been thrown and the only direction it could have come from was the bog. It turns out that Dan was eating the Good N Plenty before dinner and spilled some over by my car before we left for the meeting.

Here are the possible explanations that we came up:

Hoax-Could it have been a member of the expedition? Maybe, but we don't think so because someone would have had to come all the way out to our camp after we left, find the fallen candy, and bring it with them to the base camp meeting. Also, since it was a moonless night, they would have needed night vision goggles to walk around the camp since no flashlights were used. One person did have night vision on that trip but he was accounted for over a mile away when this occurred.

Known animal-Could a flying squirrel, owl, or bat have picked one up and dropped it as it flew over. Possible, but we didn't hear anything flying around that evening. We did hear barred owls off in the distance, but nothing in the immediate area. Also they would have been holding it for several hours before dropping it on Dan.

Conclusion-What do you think? It was really a weird experience. It was thrown from the bog, but by whom, we can't say for 100% certainty.

I thought you might enjoy this one. Knock your socks off and tear into it. I should be around today to answer questions. Thanks
NL

Just a couple things I highlighted. Why in the world would you suspect first off that if something threw candy at you, it would be anything but human? Anything beyond that is ridiculous. Your promotion of bigfoot camping trips and the "phenomenon" is well noted. We most likely know what your motives for posting here are too. A little promotions work here and there never hurts eh. (I understand this being in the entertainment industry myself) Also, why would you suspect "a member of the group" as opposed to someone (a hired actor/participant) else using nightvision to to navigate around? (if any was needed) Does this group par chance toss candy at suspected bigfoots also?! lol

Candy, and bigfoot? Come on son, you can do better than that!

 

[LTC8K6]

A Good 'n' Plenty candy, travelling at terminal velocity, strikes a chair. How far away can a person hear it? Sounds like a job for Adam and Jamie.

Do birds pick up candy? I'd guess one might have dropped it.

At zero dark thirty?

Maybe it was a bat?

 

[William Parcher]

What would be the motive for a 9 foot Bigfoot to throw a tiny piece of candy at a camper and stay totally hidden? Does it want to have the camper grab a flashlight and come over to see who threw the candy? Anybody that isn't a Bigfoot believer would want to go see who threw the candy at them. But a Bigfooter will just stay put in the chair and later write about it on the Internet.

Again, does Bigfoot know who believes and who doesn't? One starts to understand why people say that Bigfoot is psychic and can read minds.

 

[William Parcher]

Maybe it was a bat?

Why would a bat throw candy at Dan? Does it know that he is a Bigfoot believer and just wants to troll him?

 

[LTC8K6]

Why would a bat throw candy at Dan? Does it know that he is a Bigfoot believer and just wants to troll him?

The bat saw him eating the candy earlier, and was trying to return it. The local bigfoot told the bat where Dan was.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Anyway, a Good n Plenty candy is small and relatively light. The place you are at has lots of foliage. If that candy is thrown, the instant it hits any leaf, twig, etc. it will stop, or deflect greatly or lose most of its velocity. IOW, it needs a totally clear path from the thrower to the Bigfoot believer.

But imagine a 9 foot Bigfoot right there in your midst. Oh my Jesus Christ and Mother Mary and Heaven and The Holy Spirit with Moses that is an incredible creature my Goodness yes. He likes the candy. His fingers are like huge bratwursts and yet he can pick up tiny candies with expert and precision dexterity just like we see so often with our own newborn infants picking up ants and termites within minutes of being born.

lol. So there needs to be a thread on BFF on how far a 9 foot tall sasquatch can throw a itty-bitty piece of candy through dense foliage.

Let's re-examine the report in the context of Live Action Role Playing, Alternate Reality Game. The story makes perfect sense. It is a requirement on these expeditions to produce evidence. The vetting process ensures only gamers participate.

So what we should be doing is discussing how they choose which things to front as "evidence". They're going to start off immediately, with everything and anything being evidence. The trees were planted by bigfoot. The grass was mowed by bigfoot. See that bird flying? He's fleeing bigfoot.

So throughout the car-camping week-end they are as a group explicitly weighing every event in order to come up with a consensus on what their best "evidence" is. Since it is axiomatic that they show their best evidence, they have also accepted amongst themselves even worse "evidence".

So if you think this story is funny, just consider the second, third, fourth, fifth and 27th best "evidence" from the trip.

 

[William Parcher]

The bat needs the Bigfoot to help it because bats are as blind as bats.

 

[Correa Neto]

Well, bigfoot is known for throwing pebbles and pinecones to scare puny humans as Meldrum...

' Cause you know, a three meter-tall beast advancing towards you doing a threat display.... This sort of stuff would not scare the brave bigfoot hunters.

And also raise some questions like...
Where's the physical evidence?
How you managed to escape?

 

[Castro]

The BFRO is proud to present you its new fraud concept: the Junior Expeditions:
http://www.bfro.net/news/roundup/junior_expeds.asp

...The preferred age range is 8-13...

 

[John Nowak]

Why would a bat throw candy at Dan? Does it know that he is a Bigfoot believer and just wants to troll him?

Either it drops the candy, or it decides it doesn't want the candy.

I've got to say though, that the scenario where an acorn falls out of a tree and they find a Good & Plenty that fell out of his belt seems a lot more likely. I find it really hard to believe that a Good & Plenty would hit the ground hard enough to be audible at any distance.

 

[Northern Lights]

Either it drops the candy, or it decides it doesn't want the candy.

I've got to say though, that the scenario where an acorn falls out of a tree and they find a Good & Plenty that fell out of his belt seems a lot more likely. I find it really hard to believe that a Good & Plenty would hit the ground hard enough to be audible at any distance.

It didn't hit the ground, it landed on the camp chair and three of us clearly heard it hit. Ed did not hear it. There was nothing else in his chair, no acorn, no stick, nothing but the piece of candy.

 

[Resume]

It didn't hit the ground, it landed on the camp chair and three of us clearly heard it hit. Ed did not hear it. There was nothing else in his chair, no acorn, no stick, nothing but the piece of candy.

A piece of candy falls out of a pocket or a fold in a shirt; one out of many thousands of things that can fall out of trees in the forest does so and you think bigfoot?

Honestly?

 

[John Nowak]

It didn't hit the ground, it landed on the camp chair and three of us clearly heard it hit. Ed did not hear it. There was nothing else in his chair, no acorn, no stick, nothing but the piece of candy.

So if an acorn hit the ground near the chair, you wouldn't have found it because you didn't look for it?

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

The BFRO is proud to present you its new fraud concept: the Junior Expeditions:
http://www.bfro.net/news/roundup/junior_expeds.asp

In the other thread on Alternate Reality Gaming, Live Action Role Playing we are being conned by someone proposing this moneymaking scheme as "folklore".

Note the opening statement posing themselves as the equals of great primate scientists:

Decades ago primate researchers Jane Goodall and Dianae Fossey...

As opposed to the truth: "we see a profit center in children".

And the thing that bothers me most as a parent:

teach them to document those situations with their own cameras and records.

Wow, would it be good to have a recording of what they are actually saying to the kids. They don't have anything except blobsquatches to learn by example from so it would be fascinating to listen to the garbage they poison young minds with here.

 

[LTC8K6]

Try to imagine a person sitting on a beach chair in broad daylight, and you have to land a piece of candy on the chair, between their legs, from say, 20 feet behind them.

Bigfoot had to be somewhere in front of Dan, I think. Within Dan's normal field of view while looking forward, I would say.

Of course, there was no bigfoot...

 

[LTC8K6]

WP was clearly on the right track earlier. There's no way a miniature jelly bean could make it through the foliage.

 

[xtifr]

Try to imagine a person sitting on a beach chair in broad daylight, and you have to land a piece of candy on the chair, between their legs, from say, 20 feet behind them.

Bigfoot had to be somewhere in front of Dan, I think. Within Dan's normal field of view while looking forward, I would say.

Of course, there was no bigfoot...

Of course not. It was clearly a ghost. Or an alien. Or a fairy.

(And of course, if they'd been looking for ghosts--or aliens, or fairies--this exact same story would be being offered as evidence of those as well. Unexplained events are always the phenomenon you're looking for, and never something else completely unrelated.)

 

[William Parcher]

Do the Minnesota Bigfoot guys have a clause in the paying attendee form with extensive legal terms about what happens if a visitor confirms Bigfoot? It should easily be worth millions of dollars. Do they get to keep all the money or do they have to share it with NL and his club?

What about somebody going on a BFRO expedition? Do they sign a form saying that Matt gets some of the millions?

The lawyers must have laid out those terms already, right?

 

[William Parcher]

Does Dan know how much money he could make if he simply confirms that Bigfoot exists? If the candy had Bigfoot DNA sticking to it the piece could be worth millions as confirmatory evidence. What did Dan do with the candy after it landed in his lap?

 

[captain koolaid]

It didn't hit the ground, it landed on the camp chair and three of us clearly heard it hit. Ed did not hear it. There was nothing else in his chair, no acorn, no stick, nothing but the piece of candy.

Yeah, coz Dan said so. I like the sound of Candy Dan. He seems like a fellow moron. He'd be a blast at these get togethers when the liquor's flowing. "Hey, guess what? Bigfoot chucked a zagnut at me. Check it out. Serious, you guys..."